Don't buy Cold Steel anymore!

This seems to be about the company and not about the knives, so let's put it in TGB&U.

Let’s see if we can find the right forum …
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"First, his so-called "pocket bushman" is nothing more than the french Douk Douk slightly modified."

I'm sorry but the French Douk Douk is a completely different poor quality knife
 
reconseed said:
Thanks. I was thinking about how to respond to this and Ken said it best.

Cold Steel is junk and has never made anything authentic. :jerkit:
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I thought Ken's post was saying this type of CS discussion had been done so many times it borders on silly. To say everything Cold Steel makes is junk is equally silly.
 
Cold Steel have in the past, and do still make some very good knives. They also make some knives that aren't so good. Many of their designs are not original. It's up to each person to decide if Cold Steel's business practices are enough reason not to support the company.
 
"I'm sorry but the French Douk Douk is a completely different poor quality knife"

I call "poor quality" something that breaks, or doesn't work for the designed purpose. The Douk is a great knife. It's simple, rustic, reliable, and cheap. Of course if you prefer a knife with machined titanium liner, mamouth scales and damascus blade to stay in a museum, the Douk isn't for you. If you just don't care about the look and preciosity of materials, and only think in terms of functionnality (what's a pocket knife? something that cuts well, preferably easy to sharpen, and with a lock strong enough not to put your fingers in danger), the Douk is perfect. Maybe the only improvement that should be needed nowadays would be a pocket clip. The Douk has been widely used in french colonies, as well by locals than by settlers, and proved to be reliable and effective. But maybe your own experience worth more than those of thousands peoples for decades? Even Fred Perrin makes the apology of this knife, him whose designs are selected by the greatest ones in cutlery industry ("la griffe" from Emerson, "street beat" from Spyderco). You can call it "completly different", but not "poor quality".
 
Hey Madnum, got another one for ya. Go look at the Bradley Alias from your soapbox and tell me what you think......... oh never mind, it's not made by Cold Steel, so it can't be a copy of anything because only CS copies designs and blah blah de frickin' blah.
If you don't like a company vote with your wallet. There. Done.
 
sharp-k said:
"First, his so-called "pocket bushman" is nothing more than the french Douk Douk slightly modified."

I'm sorry but the French Douk Douk is a completely different poor quality knife
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I don't know about the cold steal "improved Douk Douk," but calling the original a "poor quality knife" is completely off base.

The DD might be inexpensive, but it offers quite a bit of value for around $20.00. It has a tough 1084 tapered carbon steel blade, the most positive spring for a slip joint I've ever seen, and is very flat and very light. It is easy to sharpen, retains an edge long enough for most tasks, and is easy to resharpen, especially in the field where any river stone will do.

Yes, it's crude in some details and won't win any beauty contests, but to call it poor quality is to sound ignorant. It is purpose built to be affordable in the Third World, but is about the furthest thing from being a rip-off as there is in the cutlery business.
 
hundreds and hundreds are copies anyways, if it happens to to be copyrighted, all one or they have to do is change the design by 10% to bypass any copyright, so who cares their is no stop or end to it.
 
CombatGrappler said:
No offense, but you still haven't said anything that hasn't been said 100 times or more on this forum. This topic has been rehashed over and over and over. The reason you aren't getting any sympathy is because the regulars here are sick of it.
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You should give this advice to the crybabies who bitch and moan about Strider and what they may or may not have done in their military career
 
Madnumforce said:
"I'm sorry but the French Douk Douk is a completely different poor quality knife"

I call "poor quality" something that breaks, or doesn't work for the designed purpose. The Douk is a great knife. It's simple, rustic, reliable, and cheap. Of course if you prefer a knife with machined titanium liner, mamouth scales and damascus blade to stay in a museum, the Douk isn't for you. If you just don't care about the look and preciosity of materials, and only think in terms of functionnality (what's a pocket knife? something that cuts well, preferably easy to sharpen, and with a lock strong enough not to put your fingers in danger), the Douk is perfect. Maybe the only improvement that should be needed nowadays would be a pocket clip. The Douk has been widely used in french colonies, as well by locals than by settlers, and proved to be reliable and effective. But maybe your own experience worth more than those of thousands peoples for decades? Even Fred Perrin makes the apology of this knife, him whose designs are selected by the greatest ones in cutlery industry ("la griffe" from Emerson, "street beat" from Spyderco). You can call it "completly different", but not "poor quality".
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If its such a great design as it is, why are you worried about the slightly modified version pushing your area out of business? Note that the DD is still cheaper by about 33% than the speculated price of the CS version.
 
CS has snagged designs, but they have been made to remedy the situations when called on it. They had to make good on the Black Talon (Civilian) & Ultra-lock (axis). I don't think they ever credited Tighe for the Black Sable, and I think it's too close to his design to not do so. And from what I read, Demko has a valid patent on the wave style thumbdisk, which CS figures is good enough to allow them to make folders with it.

But the designs mentioned in this thread are a bit much. We really shouldn't complain when someone makes a knife that has a point, edge, and handle, or looks like something that's been produced without trademark, or copied many times before, for decades.

As long as CS sticks to puffery and not true fraud, and as long as they can be taken to task and fix their ****-ups, I still consider buying some of their stuff.
 
sixfoot7 said:
Hey Madnum, got another one for ya. Go look at the Bradley Alias from your soapbox and tell me what you think......... oh never mind, it's not made by Cold Steel, so it can't be a copy of anything because only CS copies designs and blah blah de frickin' blah.
If you don't like a company vote with your wallet. There. Done.
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didnt the owner of bradley once work for chris reeve?

it would follow that his design brings inspiration from the sebenza.
 
"If its such a great design as it is, why are you worried about the slightly modified version pushing your area out of business?"

Simply cause CS have a much much much bigger influence and spreading. Their "pocket bushman" can't be as good as the Douk, but the idea of the one piece out of a metal sheet, the spring pushed against it's "back" and thus protected, and all those simple but brilliant features will still make this "ersatz" attractive and relatively efficient. That's the danger: not as good but still acceptable, and much more easy to find in lots of countries. If an unknow local brand would have copied the Douk, it wasn't a problem, cause the genuine Cognet's Douk would still have much more fame and spreading. But who can resist against CS? It's one of the bigger company in the world, maybe the biggest. They will impose their model where and when the Douk could have succeded, but did not cause they was no shop selling it. Finally, both the user and Cognet are looser, only CS gain.
 
Trademark. Copyright. Design patent. Utility patent. Look them up please. It might help you to understand how someone can produce something which looks like something someone else produces without legal infringement. If you produce something and don't get a design patent (the way it looks - ornamental appearance), or a utility patent (the way it functions) then it is public domain and anyone can use it. If you do patent it, you have to publish the patent and pay maintenance fees. When the patent expires, it is public domain and anyone can use it. Generally designs and mechanisms which are traditional, or have been produced for many years with or without patent protection (in the beginning) are considered by the patent examiners to be "obvious" or "know in the arts" and therefore unpatentable.
 
i didnt have time to read every post so if it was already said,sorry.

so than according to this guys theory no one should make a bowie knife accept the original maker of 200 yrs ago or something??........whatever.

some of CS products are complete junk,some is decent,some is tough as hell.
 
Forgot to add: Lynn Thompson is a bad man. Lynn Thompson is a BAAAAD man. Lynn Thompaon is a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD man!!!

Lynn Thompson, now referred to as LT steals designs. LT steal designs.

Blah, Blah. Blah, Blah
Blah, Blah, Blah Lynn
Blah Blah Blah, LT never claimed to be a military hero
Blah Blah BLAH
 
You americans disappoint me much. I thought Founding Fathers left you more than a taste for money and legal fusspoting.
 
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