Don't deal with KomputerKop!

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A couple of weeks ago, I agreed to buy a small bolstered Crawford KKF from KomputerKop(Jerry Roberts). Today, I get the package in the mail. The folder was simply stuck in a Priority Mail envelope and that envelope was then stuck inside one of the more durable Priority Mail clothlike envelopes. I open the envelope and get the folder out. I then thumb open the folder and notice that the liner goes almost all the way over to the right side. Not touching the liner on the right side, but a little too close for my liking. I then check out the grinds on the blade and find them to be most excellent. I run my fingertip over the tip of the blade and notice that the very tip of the blade is curled over to one side, as if the knife was dropped or used to pry something.

Immediately, I email the seller and tell him I will be sending the folder back, as I am not happy with it. I include a couple of pics of the curled over tip as proof. This guy's email responses have been less than comforting, to say the least. He tells me that the knife was a steal at the price I paid(admittedly, yes it was, but that's irrelevent) and that he was NOT taking the knife back! Said that I should send it back to Crawford. He said that the knife was sold AS IS, and that NO inspection period was given. Umm, excuse me? :confused:

Emails are exchanged, and each time he is yelling in capital letters at me, that the knife was not damaged when he sent it, and that he was NOT taking the knife back, so I should NOT waste the shipping sending it.

Each time I reply, I stress the fact that all I did was open the package and thumb the knife open to find the tip damage. Heck, even if the tip was not damaged, I could send the knife back, because I don't care for the way it locks up, right? For that matter, I could send it back just because I didn't like the way the knife felt in my hands, right? Point is, I should have been given an inspection period. In fact, I pointed this out to the guy, that it was the law that I had an inspection period. WRONG, says Jerry Roberts. I am NOT entitled to an inspection period, according to him.

After exchanging emails with this guy for awhile, he finally tells me that, although he doesn't have to, he will pay for HALF of the cost to have the blade fixed by Pat Crawford. At this point, after realizing this guy's attitude, I would never trust him enough to send him the knife back. Then, I'd be out my money AND my folder. Nor, do I want his HELP with the repair costs. I am only posting this, so that others will realize who they might be thinking about dealing with. Here's the pictures I took of the tip and another pic of the lockup. You folks can make your own decision as to who to believe.
 
WOW ! thats a pretty jacked up tip. Sorry for your troubles, hope you can get this thing fixed. Bad situation for both of you. You get a f**ked up knife, he gets a bad name. Though it's aside from the point, the liner issue can be fixed, and Pat Crawford will fix the Tip, you just shouldnt have to deal with something like this...Ever.
 
Dan,

I know you to be an honest, upfront partner in your dealings and you have unfortunately happened into a transaction with someone who shares neither your high standards nor your unshakeable reputation. You may wind up taking a loss on this deal but your reward is that you can put this behind you and continue with a clear conscience, but the stench of his behaviour in this transaction will always follow him and is indelible.
 
To be honest, if I had to absorb the cost of sending the knife back to Pat, it would STILL be a great deal for the money. I'm not looking to get anything from the seller. I'm only posting this, because of the guy's attitude. I think people need to know about people like this.
 
What a FWAD..............that has got to be the single best way to never do business here again. Personally the deal is not done until everyone is happy, but that is me.


Cerberus
 
Sorry to hear you ran afoul of a less-than-stellar seller.

Generally, the law covering the sale of goods does not provide for an "inspection period." The terms of a bargain can provide for one however.

On the other hand in most states, goods must comply with any description made of their condition. Use of words such as "as is" does nothing to negate a promise that an item is "mint" or "in new condition." Only implied warranties can avoided by using terms such as "as is."

Sale "as is" or "with all defects" is never presumed. Such a term must be expressly stated.

Also, in most states, an agreement to sell an item for delivery at another location means the risk of damage is on the seller until delivery. Again, the terms of the bargain can shift that risk to the buyer.

Good luck.
 
Don't let a guy like this give all "kops" a bad name!:D

But seriously, Danbo, thanks for the headsup on this pr*ck!:mad: :mad:

Larry S.
 
i imagine pat crawford can have it looking 100% for very little $$, shipping/labor wouldnt be over $35 or so imho.
 
SIFU1A said:
i imagine pat crawford can have it looking 100% for very little $$, shipping/labor wouldnt be over $35 or so imho.
I agree but it really sucks to expect a knife in mint condition and recieve one that needs to go back to the maker and NOW at the buyer's expense.

Jerry should have been honest in the description and never sold this knife without first disclosing it's condition.

BUT this is not the first time it is alleged Jerry has done this.
 
I don't know Danbo, the knife was described as 90%+, and it looks like the bent tip accounts for no more than 10% of the total length of the knife, so I really don't see what the problem is... :D

Sorry, just trying to lighten the mood a little. It really sucks that this happened, and especially that it happened to Danbo. He does a lot of deals through this forum, and he's as straight-up a guy as they come.

I'd add one little detail, KomputerKop offered the knife for sale as a registered user, which is against the rules.

Wait, I'll add another, KomputerKop has run into trouble on at least one other forum for questionable deals. I'd provide links to the other forum, but that's generally frowned on.
 
I'd definitely stay away from kkop. It's likely that he knew that the knife had "defects", hence the low price. There's no free lunch but on the forums, we expect honesty and integrity.

Sorry about this episode Danbo. I'm sure Pat will fix it up fine.
 
In any deal I do, I expect a 72 hour inspection period, but that's not the point. If one person in the deal is dissatisfied for whatever reason , the other guy has to be willing to return the knife or money he received in the deal. This guy needs to do the right thing.
 
Not the first time I've heard of this story with Jerry :-( Sorry it happened to you as well Danbo. Honesty is paramount when doing business on line. An unconditional return policy within a specified amount of time DOSENT hurt either. Just my .02
Loandr.
 
Hey Dan, are you sure the tip isn't damaged, but is actually a very tiny Tanto tip? :)

The lockup is absolutely horrible, that in itself makes the knife well under 90%. The bent tip brings it down further, I would have had to point out both those things and sold the knife for peanuts. Or, sent it in, had it fixed, then sold it. But, as was said, he has a horrible rep elsewhere too, so this doesnt surprise me.

Sorry Dan, I still love you.
 
geegee said:
In any deal I do, I expect a 72 hour inspection period, but that's not the point. If one person in the deal is dissatisfied for whatever reason , the other guy has to be willing to return the knife or money he received in the deal. This guy needs to do the right thing.

My point, exactly. I don't even cash people's checks or money orders, until I hear that they're ok with the deal.
 
Sorry to hear about the bad deal. At least now you can cut around corners. :D (sorry, couldn't help myself.)
 
Danbo said:
He tells me that the knife was a steal at the price I paid(admittedly, yes it was, but that's irrelevent)...

That really burns me when people try that one. :mad: You agreed on a condition and you agreed on a price. Just because it was a good price doesn't make it OK to lie about the condition. If you knew it was a jacked up knife you wouldn't have even paid that much if anything at all.


Danbo said:
For that matter, I could send it back just because I didn't like the way the knife felt in my hands, right?

This is the only part of your post I disagree with. IMHO, it's bad form in most cases to buy a knife from a guy and then send it back because you don't like the way if feels or it wasn't what you thought it was or whatever. It's your job to do the research and if the knife was described accurately it's still you're knife. UNLESS, you've made arrangements to accomodate that during your communication with the seller. Anyway, none of this applies in this case, so we'd just be splitting hairs.


I don't think you should give up on this so easily. Try to get your money back or make him pay for ALL of what it takes to get it fixed + shipping.

Then he should be banned. :grumpy:
 
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