Dowsing: Fact or Fiction?

I'm glad I don't believe in any of this dowsing piffle, a childish part of me wishes I did though. The childish part of me asserts that if I believed hard enough then perhaps I could do it. I could then claim that free $1000000 USD. That's £606,503.53 GBP to me and sufficient to snag a property in Durdle Door just to rent it out to surfers. I wouldn't need to be personally involved in any of the administration of that, I'd just know that once a month the fleeces were scooped up and fed into an account. If I did children that could go into an education fund to stop them tapping me up. I could widen the circle of people covered under my BUPA for free. Hell, if I believed in this superstitious stuff and it worked I could buy my woman a collection of rare 'magickal knives' with musk ox horn or fossil walrus ivory handles to ensure that if she ever became pregnant I would never be cock-blocked by hemorrhoids. And so on. Frankly, it amazes me that nobody that can demonstrate the effect appears interested in claiming the free money. Do the rules of dowsing state that ability comes at a cost to some other faculty?
 
baldtaco-II said:
I'm glad I don't believe in any of this dowsing piffle, a childish part of me wishes I did though. The childish part of me asserts that if I believed hard enough then perhaps I could do it. I could then claim that free $1000000 USD. That's £606,503.53 GBP to me and sufficient to snag a property in Durdle Door just to rent it out to surfers. I wouldn't need to be personally involved in any of the administration of that, I'd just know that once a month the fleeces were scooped up and fed into an account. If I did children that could go into an education fund to stop them tapping me up. I could widen the circle of people covered under my BUPA for free. Hell, if I believed in this superstitious stuff and it worked I could buy my woman a collection of rare 'magickal knives' with musk ox horn or fossil walrus ivory handles to ensure that if she ever became pregnant I would never be cock-blocked by hemorrhoids. And so on. Frankly, it amazes me that nobody that can demonstrate the effect appears interested in claiming the free money. Do the rules of dowsing state that ability comes at a cost to some other faculty?
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Likewise, if you would like to see utility lines located using my method, be here Tuesday morning. "Believing" in magic is not required.
 
Codger_64 said:
Likewise, if you would like to see utility lines located using my method, be here Tuesday morning. "Believing" in magic is not required.
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Mate, only an idiot would take that offer up. If I wanted to test your ability I certainly wouldn't be doing it on a terrain that is familiar to you. I'd want you to demonstrate it in a court of my choosing, perhaps say somewhere remote in Patagonia.Whilst I'll concede that the affairs of a man and his purse are private may I ask as to why you might snub the opportunity to demonstrate your ability and claim the free money. Even if you didn't want it I'm sure the EFF, NRA, Knife Rights, Spark, or some other beneficiary of your choosing would welcome it?
 
Is this challenge to find water with a willow stick, or to find underground lines with two pieces of copper wire. These are two very different things. It must be the first, because if it is the second the million dollars would have long been gone.
 
MikeH said:
Is this challenge to find water with a willow stick, or to find underground lines with two pieces of copper wire. These are two very different things. It must be the first, because if it is the second the million dollars would have long been gone.
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Challenge Info
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Written by JREF Staff
Thursday, 30 October 2008 12:10



The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.
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That leaves me out. I make no claims of paranormal activity, supernatural or occult power or event. Or even unique ability. Even a caveman can do it. I'm not so sure about a knight is shining armor though. Like a compass needle, masses of metal interfere with accurate results. For instance, I cannot use the rods while seated on a backhoe or even when the bucket is next to the area where I am looking. I can't speak for the other claims of use, such as detecting lost people, water deep in the earth, etc. I only use it to look for buried utilities to the depth of my excavations, 12 feet or less.
 
I did a Google Search under Dowsing Challenge and fine lots of challenges, but none offering a million dollars. The is one $10,000,000 challenge, but it is from a dowser who challenges that if skeptics will put up a $10,000,000 award, he and his group of dowsers will go to Cambodia, locate and deactivate land mines.

The Great Randi has a one-time challenge at a lecture but no monetary award is mentioned. His challenge is to fill three paint cans with water and two with sand and see if the dowser can find the water. This has nothing to do with copper rods because they will activate on all three cans. They will also activate on every piece of re-bar in the floor, so an indoor challenge is are-planned to fail.

If anyone can give me a link to a legitimate $1,000,000 challenge that is about finding underground utility lines outdoors with copper rods, I will become a richer man. If it gets into willow sticks and that kind of thing then that is not what I can do. It matters not whether I am familiar with the area or not.

Some of these dowser sites get into metaphysical claims. I do not believe there is any supernatural component at all, but that there is a valid scientific explanation.

And as I said before, unless there is deliberate non-cooperation and an effort at subtle sabotage, I can have anyone finding underground lines in five minutes or less, whether you are a believer or not. Meet me at Blade 2012. I will bring the copper rods, or if you prefer, you can bring them. Bring two lengths of about three feet each of bare soft copper wire. Diameter is immaterial, as long as it is stiff enough to not bend under its own weight.
 
I saw a guy at the local library once. He would ask a question and then start divining with a metal rod around the room , in search of his answer in a book. He was absolutely convinced that it worked. He was new to divining. Someone taught him how it was done and it blew his mind.
 
A waste of good copper :D I just made a pair this morning that are only 12" long with a four inch bend, 16+16=32" of #8 bare copper ground wire. I'va also used survey flags with thin steel wires and coat hangers. The rods I made this morning react to the pliars about a foot below them, my dog's metal water bowl from four feet and my bottle of spring water on my desk. Oddly enough, they also react to my 40# dog when he walks under them. But he has had breakfast and a good long drink. No, I am not going to experiment to find out what % of him is water. I might oughta take him out to pee though.
 
Winning James Randi's "Million Dollar Challenge" on the paranormal isn't so simple as just showing up.

Research it and you'll find he goes to great lengths to make sure nobody will ever win.
 
Im gonna try it. Theres a willow tree next door . Im going to cut a forked stick and walk around the house and see if anything happens using this guys technique. I am skeptical but I will give it an honest effort. Will report back with my findings.

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It just started raining. So Im gonna have to wait . I would think a wet ground would mess up the results when one is trying to find water.
 
Not sure why there is such vehement skepticism about dowsing since there are those here who use it part of their living. It doesn't have to be mystical - there are many things science can't explain yet. How do Salmon return from under the vastness of oceans to the stream where they spawned with a precision that exceeds modern GPS? A scientific investigation into their pea size brains will reveal nothing. And yet, as a point of fact, they somehow manage to do it. Abscence of evidence as to why is in this case (and in the case of dowsing) is not evidence of abscence.
 
Nothing wrong with being skeptical. We all are. Except my brother, he believes everything.
 
kycolonel said:
Not sure why there is such vehement skepticism about dowsing since there are those here who use it part of their living. It doesn't have to be mystical - there are many things science can't explain yet. How do Salmon return from under the vastness of oceans to the stream where they spawned with a precision that exceeds modern GPS? A scientific investigation into their pea size brains will reveal nothing. And yet, as a point of fact, they somehow manage to do it. Abscence of evidence as to why is in this case (and in the case of dowsing) is not evidence of abscence.
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There is nothing mystical about it. All life has an electricity, and this surrounds all for some distance outside the physical much the same as how water stops and the atmosphere fills in its place above it. Its all alive and very electric as is the universe which science is starting to wake up to with plasma studies of electricity.

It has been taught to me that the native peoples of all lands found ley lines because number one, they were bare foot, number two the earths magnetism was stronger during their time than ours and these energy grids could be felt. Imagine two opposing magnets being in each palm and you try to push them together. Anyone can feel this. If you crossed two intersecting lines of the earth grid in your bare feet it stands to reason that a sensitive would notice it in the tingle of the magnetism on his bare feet. Further examination with the hands could help to feel out even more. In time these spots are marked, considered holy and over time the grid is mapped out. It is that simple, and its very real.

You can rub your own hands together briskly and the minor trauma of the abrasion sets the cells alive to activate them so that if you close your eyes and spread your hands apart palms open you can feel your own energy, your own life energy between your own two hands in the palms as you push gently back and forth playing with your own light. This is the same feeling, the same energy the same thing to look for when dowsing and it does indeed work, I've witnessed it several times in my life and there is no mystic to it. These people have taught themselves to be sensitive to the energy signature of what it is they seek. There is life in water. Life has energy. Energy can be felt, seen, used and experienced. We all know this.

Shaman danced bare foot to cause the minor trauma, or abrasion and friction on their feet to stimulate their cells to become more sensitive. This is the purpose for ritual dance among others. The minor stress on the cells excited them and although they are more sensitive to the touch after such a day of dance they are also more sensitive to the feelings of other energies and make it easier to find them as it was taught to me. This is why in some cultures the habit of slicing the palm with a knife or traumatizing the tissue to carry out a certain ceremony was done. This too excites the tissues and cells to hyper sensitive state that is needed to divine what they seek. Contrary to all the hogwash there is science of energy, life energy behind this and no hocus pocus.
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By the way, this also explains why trauma to the head sometimes prompts one to suddenly become tuned into the other side of life. Again related to how minor trauma can play into increasing sensitivity to some energies by activating or stimulating cells that were rather dormant before becoming excited. Ritual trauma to tissue has been used by Shaman and other holy men and woman for thousands of years. Now you know why. To increase their sensitivity.

I know natives in Alaska that use nothing but their palms to find true north. No compass, no other device or GPS out there where its just them in the water with no sight of land and they use their bodies to find what they seek much the same as discussed in this thread. I have witnessed this also when we lived in Alaska as well as Arizona with the Navajo and Zuni peoples.

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I attempted to dowse, divine, whatever you want to call it. Simply, I took a dogwood stick shaped like a Y , {Tried a Sweet gum and willow but they were not what I was looking for} held it palms up, applied some tension to it , held it at about a 45 degree angle. Now I, held it to where it was delicately balanced, on the verge of pointing either up or down. First trip through the backyard it pointed up , straight up, not down.It was quite a strong movement too . I was not surprised , because just a slight change in pressure would make it move.But directly over head was the electrical entrance cable. I could not duplicate this action again but from then on I was conscious of the cable. There were times in the yard where it would bend down and times where it would bend up. I think I had it so delicately balanced that minor muscle fluctuations caused it to point.

I kept the stick for more experimentation as it seemed to be responsive. Results of my test , inconclusive.
 
What I find amusing reading through some of this thread which somehow eluded me until today, is that we witness animals, ducks, geese, all migrating animals and more both land dwelling and sea dwelling creatures using the energy grids of the earth to guide their movements all the time and yet so many still dismiss it off hand as if it does not exist just because they are not evolved enough to feel or see it. Typical response I guess. Sad too in some ways. Its very real and I believe certain photography now can prove a lot of it by picking up various energies surrounding the bodies of all life. Many masters of this stuff have practiced it for many years to tune into the energies they seek. Dismissing it off hand after first attempts or even second or third is not really giving it enough of a chance to prove to you that it exists. For some that have no such leanings it will be quite hard to ever convince them that anything out side their own senses actually has merit.

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I think they work like Oija boards personally. A person's sub conscious is moving the rods. A case may be made for strong electrical currents but I think most, if not all, of the time the person is moving the rods themselves.
 
Who in their right mind would think this would work.
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But it does.
 
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