"Drop Shutty" - Can We Have the Conversation?

"Drop shutty" is like "chicken tendy" and "poopy diapy", it's a symptom of a simple childlike mind. This is what happens when when kids grow up in front of a computer/tv screen getting dumbed down by nonsensical "entertainment" instead of going outside and doing things kids used to do; like build forts, traps, carve spears out of sticks, ride bicycles, use their brain etc.

Why the are they needing to " fidget" so badly, what is wrong with these people? Junkies fidget when they are doped up on meth or fiending for their next fix.
 
I am writing this post, not as any expert, but somebody who wants to learn. I am certainly not new to knives, feel naked if I am not carrying one. To the point. I am entertained by all these guys on YouTube doing knife reviews. Most of them seem to be bias toward elevating, into almost divine status, any knife that flies open lightening fast, then drops back down into place with zero friction. It almost bothers me now watching the elevation of this "drop shutty" narrative. As if this is the way all knives are supposed to be. Ya, I know Greg Medford is opinionated. However, he is a master of his art. I absolutely adore the slight friction in the action on most of his washer-based knives. I watched a YouTube vid with him giving his take on the "drop shutty" game. He was wondering where people even came up with that narrative. He thought it showed that people did not know how a knife is supposed to work, that one wants some friction when the blade is closing so it stays where you put it and does not slice your fingers. I tightened up the pivot on my Spyderco Military so it opens with ease, and when closing it stays right where I leave it, until I move it into its next position. Fantastic action in my sense. So at this point, I fully admit, I am not a drop shutty fan boy, and I think that narrative may be the most popular with those who are sitting around playing with their knives and not using them. I work my ass off on my remote 4 acres, chores and tasks most every day. Most often one hand is involved with one task, while my other hand is using my knife. I appreciate a blade that opens with a little friction and closes with the same. Enough of my rant.

I want to hear from you. Is there a (divine) purpose for "drop shutty" action? Is it just preference? Are there situations where that kind of frictionless action would be a benefit, aside from using a knife as a fidget toy? What are your thoughts?
More of a “cool thing” to have rather than an essential, in my opinion. If you close your knife with two hands anyway, I don’t think you need the drop shut feature.

Slightly off topic, but a strong detent is more important to me than dropping shut. I don’t really care too much about the folder closing smoothly or whatever, but I do want it to stay closed until I decide to open it.
 
"Drop shutty" is like "chicken tendy" and "poopy diapy", it's a symptom of a simple childlike mind. This is what happens when when kids grow up in front of a computer/tv screen getting dumbed down by nonsensical "entertainment" instead of going outside and doing things kids used to do; like build forts, traps, carve spears out of sticks, ride bicycles, use their brain etc.

Why the are they needing to " fidget" so badly, what is wrong with these people? Junkies fidget when they are doped up on meth or fiending for their next fix.

I mentioned not caring for the term earlier. I think a lot of us agree on that. It sounds dumb. Let's try to divorce the stupid term from the quality it seeks to address.

It's also worth differentiating between obsessive fidgeting and just enjoying the action of a knife. For instance, there is a difference between deriving joy upon opening or closing a knife and needing to constantly do it.

I agree about being a kid.
 
I don't particularly care for actions that allow free play of a folder.

Bearings allow in dirt, and in some cases pivots with washers that are adjusted to be loose also allow dirt in (Not always though).

Fun to play with though!
 
I mentioned not caring for the term earlier. I think a lot of us agree on that. It sounds dumb. Let's try to divorce the stupid term from the quality it seeks to address.

It's also worth differentiating between obsessive fidgeting and just enjoying the action of a knife. For instance, there is a difference between deriving joy upon opening or closing a knife and needing to constantly do it.

I agree about being a kid.

Absolutely, there is a difference. The problem is the need to "fidget" or have a "fidget spinner" or else you can't cope with everyday life, it is the equivalent to a child sucking the thumb or bringing the "blankey" everywhere with them. But these aren't young undeveloped children, they are teens and adults and it is widespread.

As far as dropping shut with no resistance, it is likely the very last thing I would find valuable in a folder. Locking securely open would be the first, and effort required (the more the better) to disengage lock would be a close second. If the knife is to ever possibly be used for defense, it needs to open quickly and lock up positively. Closing can take forever and require a ton of effort because if you are closing the blade, than that means you are no longer in danger. Similar to drawing v.s. holstering a pistol.
 
Absolutely, there is a difference. The problem is the need to "fidget" or have a "fidget spinner" or else you can't cope with everyday life, it is the equivalent to a child sucking the thumb or bringing the "blankey" everywhere with them. But these aren't young undeveloped children, they are teens and adults and it is widespread.

As far as dropping shut with no resistance, it is likely the very last thing I would find valuable in a folder. Locking securely open would be the first, and effort required (the more the better) to disengage lock would be a close second. If the knife is to ever possibly be used for defense, it needs to open quickly and lock up positively. Closing can take forever and require a ton of effort because if you are closing the blade, than that means you are no longer in danger. Similar to drawing v.s. holstering a pistol.
But how are you gonna close your Wharnie Millie 2 when you need something stronger than your slippy but don't have your fixie on you if it's not drop shutty af??
#boomerprobz
 
Absolutely, there is a difference. The problem is the need to "fidget" or have a "fidget spinner" or else you can't cope with everyday life, it is the equivalent to a child sucking the thumb or bringing the "blankey" everywhere with them. But these aren't young undeveloped children, they are teens and adults and it is widespread.

As far as dropping shut with no resistance, it is likely the very last thing I would find valuable in a folder. Locking securely open would be the first, and effort required (the more the better) to disengage lock would be a close second. If the knife is to ever possibly be used for defense, it needs to open quickly and lock up positively. Closing can take forever and require a ton of effort because if you are closing the blade, than that means you are no longer in danger. Similar to drawing v.s. holstering a pistol.

The whole fidget spinner thing was baffling to me too. I get the value as a kids' toy or novelty, or even as a coping tool for people with legitimate conditions, but it's otherwise in the realm of guys who incessantly click pens during a meeting or gals who twirl their hair.

As a fan of the underlying quality this phrase describes, it has to be taken in context with the rest of the knife. As others have said, it has to be paired with solid lock-up and the right detent.

Don't get me started on folding knives for defense. 🤦‍♂️
 
Late to the party, read almost nothing else in the thread, but here's my take: "Drop shutty" helps one handed closing, and thus is nice on mid lockbacks, compression locks, CBBLs and presumably axis locks (never owned a BM). Pretty much any type of locking mechanism where the fingers are either out of the blade path, or there is sufficient kick before the edge to land on your finger when dropping the blade shut. Example, my modded Cold Steel Espada XL. I closed all lockbacks I have ever owned like this. No blood was lost in the making of this video.


 
"Drop shut" is not important to me but a "smooth action" is.

Oh, good point, actually, I think maybe my Espada is smooth, rather than "drop shutty" since I do have to give it a downward flick after disengaging the lock. That being said, I would quite like drop shutty, where I don't have to flick.
 
Late to the party, read almost nothing else in the thread, but here's my take: "Drop shutty" helps one handed closing, and thus is nice on mid lockbacks, compression locks, CBBLs and presumably axis locks (never owned a BM). Pretty much any type of locking mechanism where the fingers are either out of the blade path, or there is sufficient kick before the edge to land on your finger when dropping the blade shut. Example, my modded Cold Steel Espada XL. I closed all lockbacks I have ever owned like this. No blood was lost in the making of this video.


That short clip made me go, “OH NO NO NO NO.” I know your finger hits the ricasso, but still. Lol.
 
The Kizer Begleiter Mini is MY only drop shut knife and for $140 is by far the best value of all my knives, and one of the highest quality regardless of price, and I have lots of customs. I like the actions of CRKS AND MY STRIDER PT.
Yea the Begleiter is quite the knife. Mine's just a standard micarta and N690 version but that linen micarta feels like a soft warm blanket in the hand and the N690 takes an insane edge and polished up very nicely. I agree, I've had a lot of different knives, some customs also, and the Begleiter's action is just crazy. I saw on the Knife Deals sub Reddit this morning that a dealer (can't remember) has the standards marked down to $30 if you want a backup standard model. 🤙
 
Nope, no droppy shutty for me...
Actually, the half stop for the Spyderco UKPK is one of my favorite closing aides, as I do exactly know where the blade is when I close it, even without looking at it.
 
Greg Medford is opinionated. However, he is a master of his art........He was wondering where people even came up with that narrative. He thought it showed that people did not know how a knife is supposed to work, that one wants some friction when the blade is closing so it stays where you put it and does not slice your fingers.

Never liked drop shut knives before, though now they might merit some consideration 🤔 🤔




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Compression lock is definitely drop-shut handy. I like it.

I like the "compression lock" Spydercos because (with the exception of my Szabo Folders which are incredibly stiff) blades using compression lock devices are so easy to "flick" and lock open.

However, to close a folder, I still use the "old school" 2 hand (slipjoint) technique that I learned as a Cub Scout, regardless of how "drop shutty" the blade may be in the interest of my own safety.
 
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