E&E Topic--ICE Agent killed

[333rm]

I was stationed in El Paso at Fort Bliss, attached to small Marine detachment there that had several different units run out of it. This was during the time frame of Jan 97- the end of the year. At that time our CO still allowed us to go in and out into Mexico but it was under STRICT guidelines and check in policies for our own safety! When we first got attached to the unit one of our check in procedures was to go through a slide show and talk through of the area of El Paso and the boarder. There had been a couple of Marines that had been killed coming back from Juarez by the cartels, IN El Paso. One of them had been sliced from his calf up to his throat in one cut. They made us look at the pics of him in the hospital and his wound and pics of the other Marines that had got the living crap kicked out of them while in the town of El Paso. The pics were not pretty! One of the units that posted out of there was JTF-6, a Marine unit that does deep border recon for/with the border patrol out on the wire. When I first got to El Paso, you quickly learn that that city is not a friendly place and the drug violence had already spilled over back then. Many parts of the city are anti military and don't accept you very well. Right about the time I got there a Marine had to shoot a 12 year old Mexican boy that had spotted him on the border and aimed a rifle at him, the boy was killed. There was such a uproar against the Marine Corps in El Paso and Juarez that our CO had locked all the Marines down to the base due to the threats against our lives. I think it was about 2 weeks that we had to stay on base, even after that we had to go out in pairs at the minimum. Not once in the area did anyone bring up why the boy had a rifle or why he took aim at a Marine?!?! More than likely he mistook him for a Border Patrol Agent since no one at the time knew of JTF-6 in the public until after the shooting. None of us felt safe out within the city by ourselves back then, and I couldn't imagine what it's like now?! I just wanted to give you a first hand example of what it can be like living on the border and being effected by doing your job of protecting the country. Our border towns have become like the wild west all over again and it's only getting worst... I'll refrain from the politics and my views like Don said to keep forum from getting out of hand.

 

[ubet]

Friend of mine was working on a ranch in Az a couple of years ago, he could throw a rock from his front door and hit mexico. BP issued him a sidearm and ammunition, and he was told to carry it at all times. If he had to use it, they didnt want to hear/know about it, basicly the 3s' shoot, shovel, and shut up.

The 2 ways to stop the illegal immigration: Punish any business 100k or more per illegal they hire plus 5yrs jail per illegal. 2. Militarize the border. Let military reserve units due their 2 or 3 week long training down there, patroling etc that would help free up more bp, and for god sakes, arm them, let them go hot.

 

[stsparky]

I have a better idea as how to deal with the border. Process job seekers as "refugees" - so 'legitimate' workers can simply get work. Give them a tax id number so they pay into SS/Medicare like we do. There will no benefit for those corporations wanting cheap labor without paying into the system.

This means we can filter out mules and human traffic victims from the refugee streams leaving only drug peddlers as the only ones illegally attempting to cross our borders.

I suspect no one would weep if a Predator took out drug shipments.

 

[Don Rearic]

Not once in the area did anyone bring up why the boy had a rifle or why he took aim at a Marine?!?! More than likely he mistook him for a Border Patrol Agent since no one at the time knew of JTF-6 in the public until after the shooting.

Yeah, like pointing a rifle at a Border Patrol Agent would be..."OK?"

I have a better idea as how to deal with the border. Process job seekers as "refugees" - so 'legitimate' workers can simply get work. Give them a tax id number so they pay into SS/Medicare like we do. There will no benefit for those corporations wanting cheap labor without paying into the system.

We have a reported 10% unemployment. Except it is probably twice that amount because once you go off of unemployment, you are no longer counted as "unemployed."

They need to go back home. It's just like foreign aid, we need to take care of our own people first.

 

[scotsmanspride]

Will post my rant later.

 

[threatx3]

My heartfelt sorrows to the Agents and Agents' families involved in the shooting. I hope justice is served on those that murdered the agent!

 

[moosehead905]

the only thing thats gonna put a stop to all that madness is by legalizing Marijuana here in the United states..BOOM problem solved ..and as far as "shutting the boarder to mexico" why not with all the other counties as well..dont need any Arabs/Muslims blowing any sh*t up anymore. and all these damn Foreign automobiles and companies coming into into America and dominating the markets its ridiculous..putting millions out of a job and then taking the money back to their own home countries..its MADNESS..lets put up walls along the entire sea board. keep em all out!!!

 

[obsessis]

Moosehead - It's not just marijuana....lots of that is homegrown in most every city in the US and commercially grown in mountain and forest areas. The real money is in Cocaine and Heroin trafficking - way more profit per weight.

The burden is on the citizens of our country. As long as there are US citizens buying and using Cocaine and Crack the violence is going to be there. The drug cartels will keep fighting each other, as well as any type of LE, as long as they are making MILLIONS of dollars exporting Cocaine and Heroin. If the people in our country stopped using, there would be no market, no money and it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I think it comes down to the average lazy, entitled Americans educating themselves or at least voicing their opinions.....whatever they are.

 

[stsparky]

Don, there's a demand. I'd rather have them volunteer to be in the Armed Services to fast track a citizenship process, or working and paying taxes than have them die on their way here.

We can then separate the wolves from the sheep by their behavior.

We have more important work to do.

There may be a valid point in destroying the Black Market for the poison being sold, but I can't see that working here.

An influx of young strong workers would do wonders for your Social Security.

 

[moosehead905]

Moosehead - It's not just marijuana....lots of that is homegrown in most every city in the US and commercially grown in mountain and forest areas. The real money is in Cocaine and Heroin trafficking - way more profit per weight.

The burden is on the citizens of our country. As long as there are US citizens buying and using Cocaine and Crack the violence is going to be there. The drug cartels will keep fighting each other, as well as any type of LE, as long as they are making MILLIONS of dollars exporting Cocaine and Heroin. If the people in our country stopped using, there would be no market, no money and it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I think it comes down to the average lazy, entitled Americans educating themselves or at least voicing their opinions.....whatever they are.

yea, i know i was being a bit sarcastic, i guess hard to get from the net, lol..but yea, i know and understand..not drastically changing or eliminating the violence in mexico but can help a bit there AND here in crimes and even jail overpopulation legalizing marijane that is..as to the actual problem there in mexico, you cant control a problem, i dont think, unless you are attacking the source..eliminate,which is impossible, the source of where the drugs are coming from and route they need to take to make it here.

 

[triachgul]

The ignorance on this thread frightens me. Why is there so-called drug violence in Mexico? Because the USA shut down the Caribbean drug trafficking path and shut down Colombia. Now all the routes go THROUGH Mexico. Why? Because proud United States of America is the number one Consumer of drugs on this planet.

So why is the violence on the Mexican side and not the American side? Because the US border protection is a joke. Helpless immigrants are slaughtered, but money-laden Zetas can walk into Arizona/Texas and buy full automatic guns on the black market. Thats the real problem. The US doesnt give a shit as what goes into Mexico, but any illegal alien is hunted down like a dog.

Dont be such hypocrites and say its all Mexico's fault. Its the US drug problem spilling into Mexicos' society. Not the other way around.

As for the immigration problem into the US, Who actually wants to be paid shit for working manual labor their entire lives and being scared of deportation?

Thank the US for being drughappy.

Solution: Mexico Legalizes all drugs under strict government supervision and enforces border controls that are just as strict as the US. The US however due to warped ethical views will never allow that.

As for the agents dying, so what? How many Mexican soldiers, Policemen and innocent teenagers have been murdered in the last few years?


P.s.: Im not Mexican before you ask.

 

[adaman04]

It's only going to get worse. When you are involved in someone else's business, sooner or later you're going to get your nose bloodied. The only thing people like that understand is violence...because they're violent. And if you are going to be involved in dealing with people like that, they're best dealt with the way Colombia, with the help of the U.S., dealt with Pablo Escobar. Kill every last one of them you can. Things like "arrest" and "being charged" and "indictment" and even "incarceration" is meaningless to them. The only thing they understand is being squashed like bugs and that is the only way to stop them, just be more violent than they are. That's what they respect, force. If you can be more ruthless than they are, they will respect you.

I don't see that happening.

Amen brother.

 

[Don Rearic]

The ignorance on this thread frightens me.

It does me as well, like this statement:

Helpless immigrants are slaughtered, but money-laden Zetas can walk into Arizona/Texas and buy full automatic guns on the black market. Thats the real problem. The US doesnt give a shit as what goes into Mexico, but any illegal alien is hunted down like a dog.

The concept that multi-millionaire, perhaps billionaire, drug "lords" have to come to this country to purchase FULLY-automatic weapons on the "black market" is a JOKE. They have the entire world to shop from, they don't have to come here to purchase something illegal that they can get anywhere with the type of money they have. This is the height of ignorance on your part. Any MORON with that kind of money in Mexico or Central or South America can get whatever they want. They don't have to come here to buy anything. Fully-automatic or semi-automatic or anything else. It's absurd.

The proof of that is in the fact that I believe it was reported that they also have RPGs, now that isn't something you can pick up and Joe Smuckatelli's Gun and Pawn in Cut and Shoot, Texas, now is it?

As for the agents dying, so what? How many Mexican soldiers, Policemen and innocent teenagers have been murdered in the last few years?


P.s.: Im not Mexican before you ask.

Who care what you are as of your last statement and your casual disregard of facts? You registered here this month and this is your first post. One has to wonder where you came from or what your other member name is.

 

[drew1095hc]

The ignorance on this thread frightens me. Why is there so-called drug violence in Mexico? Because the USA shut down the Caribbean drug trafficking path and shut down Colombia. Now all the routes go THROUGH Mexico. Why? Because proud United States of America is the number one Consumer of drugs on this planet.

So why is the violence on the Mexican side and not the American side? Because the US border protection is a joke. Helpless immigrants are slaughtered, but money-laden Zetas can walk into Arizona/Texas and buy full automatic guns on the black market. Thats the real problem. The US doesnt give a shit as what goes into Mexico, but any illegal alien is hunted down like a dog.

Dont be such hypocrites and say its all Mexico's fault. Its the US drug problem spilling into Mexicos' society. Not the other way around.

As for the immigration problem into the US, Who actually wants to be paid shit for working manual labor their entire lives and being scared of deportation?

Thank the US for being drughappy.

Solution: Mexico Legalizes all drugs under strict government supervision and enforces border controls that are just as strict as the US. The US however due to warped ethical views will never allow that.

As for the agents dying, so what? How many Mexican soldiers, Policemen and innocent teenagers have been murdered in the last few years?


P.s.: Im not Mexican before you ask.

seriously..this is your first post....way to introduce yourself

 

[Don Rearic]

seriously..this is your first post....way to introduce yourself

There is a 90+% chance this person is known to us. After over a decade of watching this type of behavior, almost without exception, it is a member that has extremely unpopular views/opinions and they don't want to voice them under their regular user name.

This is my name and I take my lumps. They have been many and I'm not ashamed of them.

 

[drew1095hc]

There is a 90+% chance this person is known to us. After over a decade of watching this type of behavior, almost without exception, it is a member that has extremely unpopular views/opinions and they don't want to voice them under their regular user name.

This is my name and I take my lumps. They have been many and I'm not ashamed of them.

your probably right...or it could be one of our old favorites under a new name....nub,,rc3mil...come to mind

 

[NeoClassic]

I suggest people should wiki "51st State" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state

According to it, there is a plan in place to absorb Mexico within 5 years once initiated. One Mexican state at at a time, thereby the US will have 82 states when it is all said and done.

Wikipedia is not the most accurate of sources.

Think about the political logistics of incorporating a foreign country into the United States. We can't even agree on healthcare, taxes, federal deficits and immigration policies in this country.

There is NO WAY any of Mexico will get absorbed into the Union any time soon -- if ever.

I'm not even addressing whether that's a good thing or not, I'm just saying that the probability of it happening is close to zero or completely nill, in my opinion.

Regarding the drug wars:

Having lived in Brazil and knowing what I do of the political and law enforcement systems there, the drug wars are what they are because those in power let them be.

If Mexico's government really wanted the cartels to have less power and/or be gone, they would. Period.

I suspect that rampant corruption among politicians and law enforcers allows the situation to be what it is.

People think the U.S. is corrupt -- and surely it is, all governments are -- but just go live in Latin America for a few months and you'll see what real corruption is and how devastating its effects are.

And the corruption isn't just with drugs, it's with everything, which only compounds the situation and makes it easier for the Cartels to gain and maintain power.

 

[Don Rearic]

Don't really know, don't care. The whole "America is filled with a black market for fully automatic weapons" thing is the kicker. It's bullshit. Any millionaire down there could get a boatload of select fire AK-47s at the drop of a hat from some other financially ailing third world country, that's where they get RPGs from.

 

[moosehead905]

I suggest people should wiki "51st State" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state

According to it, there is a plan in place to absorb Mexico within 5 years once initiated. One Mexican state at at a time, thereby the US will have 82 states when it is all said and done.

I am all for such a plan. Mexico is strife with corruption and violence and has laws against US citizens that are patently unfair (i.e. non Mexican citizens cannot own land within 50 miles of the border or coast, which basically cuts me out of buying some inexpensive great beach front property!)

yeeaa right, then where is america going to send all their outsourced jobs for cheap unregulated manufacturing labor..most US industries would be scrrreeewwwwed lol..

 

[drew1095hc]

Don't really know, don't care. The whole "America is filled with a black market for fully automatic weapons" thing is the kicker. It's bullshit. Any millionaire down there could get a boatload of select fire AK-47s at the drop of a hat from some other financially ailing third world country, that's where they get RPGs from.

I wish i had the artical handy to back this statement up but i don't....The artical stated that the majority of confiscated automatic weapons were actually Mexacian military issue....Either bought off corrupt officals or carried in by military deserters....