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disorder

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well, this is a case of item misrepresented , i let you decide:
last weeks i saw an auction for a CF delica Item number: 2262452057

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2262452057&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:it

the description was:
"This is a used Spyderco Carbon Fiber Delica. Knife in good shape with lots of blade left." the pics doesnt show the tip of blade, so i asked to vendor if the tip was broken. The answer was ".. no, blade is integer", so i bought it.

today arrived , and the knife is reprofiled..so it's true that it has a tip, BUT isnt the original tip.

Here in BF this kind of actin would be marked at least as " misrepresentation "
probally i needed to ask more specific question, but...

well, i payed 56 + 14 usd for a reprofiled knife. a genius, myself.and the seller, well , i let you name him.
btw, i payed 14 for shipping, but on package the fee was 4.80 ....

bye.

p.s. damn ,this is the kind of risk we overseas knifenut have to face... i bought this one 'cause it's long time i seek on CF Delica, and i never found a trusted forumite selling it overseas, so i bought it from an unknown seller.. damn myself
 
Sorry to hear this. This is one reason why I try to buy all my knives from members and dealers on the forums. I was wondering if you might be able to send it in to spyderco for a refurb? probably wouldn't be too costly.
 
I notice the eBay seller has no negative feedback. Ding the sucker!!! As it stands, he's 100% positive and looks like a saint.
 
Hey,if you find another one that is like new and they will not ship to you,there are forumites that will act as a middle man for you.Recieve it for you and remail it to you.
Leave the guy a neg on feedback,he knew that the knife did not have all of its blade.
 
thanks people.
you know, all your kind words make me feel better..
i normally buy from trusted sellers or forumites, and always had pleasant dealings..
just 'cause in last weeks i wasnt able to buy a CF delica on BF - 'cause sellers dosnt want tho ship overseas - i got bored and tried the luck.
wasnt the right person...

what make me angry is that he answered "yes, tip isnt broke"

lesson learned.
thanks again
 
Thomas Linton said:
I notice the eBay seller has no negative feedback. Ding the sucker!!! As it stands, he's 100% positive and looks like a saint.
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I agree, ding him with a negative feedback. Make sure you wait until he has already left you a positive(if he leaves you anything at all), otherwise he will simply hit you with a negative, when you're the good guy in this.
 
I've purchased a few knives off ebay, and just a few have been as good as described. Even when pressed, the sellers sometimes don't know knives like we do, and don't even know what to look for. Now, I only bid on the ones that are a good value regardless of condition.

I think the potential downside in a reprofiled knife is that if the blade got too hot in the regrinding it may have lost some of its hardness. Have you tried returning the knife to the seller because the condition wasn't what was represented?

Sorry about your experience. I've also learned not to ding people until they've finished leaving me feedback. The only negative I've received was the result of a knife sharpener deal where I was the good guy. :grumpy:
 
Before leaving negative feedback, give the person a chance to do the right thing. Leaving negative feedback will very often result in the other person giving you negative feedback as a retaliation. That is one of the things that sucks about eBay. They don't seem to want to do a darn thing about retaliatory negative feedback.
 
If you decide to leave Neg. feedback, you have 90 days to do so. Wait till the 89 day, and then drop it on him. By the time he notices it, it will be too late to drop it on you.
I hope you can work out a satisfactory solution you both can life with, before it comes to that.
 
disorder said:
just 'cause in last weeks i wasnt able to buy a CF delica on BF - 'cause sellers dosnt want tho ship overseas - i got bored and tried the luck.
wasnt the right person...
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Sorry about the bummer of a deal.

As far as dealers shipping overseas, have a look at New Graham Knives
They ship overseas and take payment with Visa. If they don't have what you're looking for email them, they're great guys to deal with.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Before leaving negative feedback, give the person a chance to do the right thing. Leaving negative feedback will very often result in the other person giving you negative feedback as a retaliation. That is one of the things that sucks about eBay. They don't seem to want to do a darn thing about retaliatory negative feedback.
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Absolutely! I've found that if I've contacted the seller and politely but firmly expressed my dissatisfaction, most of the time they will make good. A seller with a clean record doesn't want to get negative feedback. Give him the opportunity to refund your money.
 
That is a good idea.Email him and tell him the tip has been reprofiled and ask if he will either refund or money and you send the knife back or refund part of your money and you keep the knife.
 
exactly what i did .
before yesterday.
.. maybe he 's out for holydays.. when we corresponded before bidding, he always be prompt in answering.

anyway, i'll hold the delica as a beater, or maybe try to find another blade and put the CF handles on it.

i wrote this post as an example of behavior we arent so used .fortunately.

i'll folllow your advice about ebay..

thanks again, nice people.
 
u812 said:
Leave the guy a neg on feedback,he knew that the knife did not have all of its blade.
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The ad doesn't claim that the knife has all of it's blade. It says it has a lot of blade left. It clearly states it's a used knife. While it's too bad that the buyer didn't get what he was expecting, he did in fact receive exactly what was advertised. Buyer beware should be foremost in everyone's mind when buying a used item, especially from a stranger online. It's completely unreasonable and unfair to give the seller a negative feedback because somebody thought they would receive something other than what was advertised. I think this is an issue of taking responsibility for our own actions, and not trying to shift blame elsewhere.
 
koj11 said:
The ad doesn't claim that the knife has all of it's blade. It says it has a lot of blade left. It clearly states it's a used knife. While it's too bad that the buyer didn't get what he was expecting, he did in fact receive exactly what was advertised. Buyer beware should be foremost in everyone's mind when buying a used item, especially from a stranger online. It's completely unreasonable and unfair to give the seller a negative feedback because somebody thought they would receive something other than what was advertised. I think this is an issue of taking responsibility for our own actions, and not trying to shift blame elsewhere.
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well, imho thats just playing 'word games', the seller imho was not honest, an honest person would have said 'lotsa blade left from reprofiling a broken tip',or the tip is messed up but has been redone in a satisfactory manner, i say try to return it and if not possible, negative feedbackthe guy. gee i wonder why the tip wasnt in the pic???????? imho this is not honest. didnt the buyer say he asked about the tip and was told it was fine?? not being honest to say its fine if its been broken/reprofiled. simply not being honest imho.

ya have to be honest about the condition when selling on the internet, if ya play word games, ya are not being honest with the description of the merchandise.

another reason NOT to shop ebay, i sure dont.
 
ko, as you said, read before blame another .
please read the entire first post.

i wrote the seller BEFORE bidding ,asking if tip was broke.
the answer was "no, blade is integer."

what you would expected ? a reprofiled knife ? i mean it's different a used knife from a broken one that was reprofiled .

do you got the point now ? :)

SIFU1A, exactly what you said.

anyway, didnt mean to start a war. in fact in my first post i asked people what they thought about this deal.

my fault that i trusted seller words.
 
disorder said:
ko, as you said, read before blame another .
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I didn't blame you for anything that was my responsibility, which would be the correct usage of "the blame" in the context that I was using it. I also don't think of this discussion as a war, just differing viewpoints on the situation.

Anyways, I guess it's just a question of how you look at it. If I was holding that knife in my hand, and someone asked me, "is the tip broken?". I would say no. There is clearly a tip. You asked the seller if the tip was broken, and it isn't. You didn't ask if the knife had the original tip. Now don't get me wrong here...maybe the seller was intentionally being not too forthcoming with information, but the fact remains that the answers to your questions were factual and correct.


Almost forgot...what the heck is "no, blade is integer." ? I assume this is a typo by somebody somewhere along the way, as the word integer certainly has no meaning that could apply to this situation.
 
"no, blade is integer."
I would think that this means the blade has all its integrity
meaning none of the blade is missing.IMO the phrase is just loseing something in translation.
Might be wrong be if I am right I am going to be so proud,dang,I am a hillbilly from TN and figured that out.
 
OH,on the tip being broken.If the seller is not showing the tip in the pic and someone asks him if it is broken,even if it has a reprofiled tip if he says it is not broken,thats an out right lie IMO.
At the very least the seller should have said...The tip is not broken but has been fixed at some time.
 
Therein lies the problem, though. If that was the case, a person's arguement would be completely out of steam. You can't be upset at someone else for your own mistaken assumptions of what you think they might have meant. If I was the buyer on that knife and got that reply (which clearly makes no sense whatsoever), my very next question would have been "what does that mean?"
 
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