ec9 working with me to resolve issue!

[dericdesmond]

tape an address to each item inside the box

Ive done this before not knowin for sure if it would even matter. If the posted package for some reason did fail, would that unposted addy make a bit of diff if it found its ways into the right hands? Would they just send it back to the return addy without postage?

 

[Esav Benyamin]

The original reason I was told to do it was in case the address label outside the package got damaged. Which why I generally remember to put it inside the box but don't always remember to tape it to the item.

If the item comes out of the box and is loose in the mail, it can be sent on its way postage due.

 

[braillediver]

I generally remember to put it inside the box but don't always remember to tape it to the item

I always include a packing slip and just recently heard about taping it to the item.

Pack it as you would like to recieve it.

 

[Macchina]

Well, still no contact from him. Any recommendations on what I should do? I have his name/address if that make any difference.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Well, still no contact from him. Any recommendations on what I should do? I have his name/address if that make any difference.

Send his name, address. and email to me at esav@bladeforums.com and I will contact him.

 

[ec9]

This is pretty swell a whole thread about little 'ol me. Well let me first start out by saying I am not a scamer... But it's nice to see all the people who jump on the band wagon internet forum style to issue a beating... When they don't have any info on a given transaction. It wasn't like I didn't ship anything to the guy. Infact there's a picture above that proves I did. I also can't be sure both didn't show up in the box. And the post office said the same. Lack of comunication after the 18th was a result of relocation(with everything else going on at the time,sorry this took a back seat). This is the first time I have logged in in over a month or had internet access for that matter.

Aside from all that I'm not 100% sure you did not get both knives. I also am sorry about the one you claim you did get being ATS34. I was told it was in fact 154 blade steel when it was traded to me here. The rough going rate on that blade in the shape I sent it to you in ATS34 is about 75 bucks. The last few smallflys I have seen went for 120-130. So my take on this is I owe you about 50 bucks which I will be happy to paypal you with no issue. I indeed do not have the smallfly anymore and it was sold for 100. I make no excuses for that. I sold a bunch of knives around that time and needed the cash.

Every other transaction I have had either selling or trading has been flawless and that inclues trades worth over 500 dollars easy and even with leos no less.

If you think I'm trying to short change you with the 50 dollar offer then show me otherwise and I'll adjust it. But like I said given the fact I have no idea if you really did or did not get it since the box showed up. I think this is a fair offer. The question that plagues me is if someone did happen to take it out of the box at the post office, why not take both? I spent countless hours with the post office on the phone and in person over this. I also offered to send you 65 bucks the day after it happened if you recall.

Anyway I'm trying my best to make this as right as I can and I'll leave it at that.

Mods please review all my post and see if I have screwed or tried to screw anyone over. I wouldn't and certianly not over a lously 100 dollar knife.

 

[wolfmann601]

Look, you should not have sold that knife until this matter was resolved.

And it's always an intelligent move to minimize threads like this with sarcasim and smartass comments, makes us all believe that you are an honest and mature member (Insert a large )

Make contact with the other party and resolve this and save your levity for W&C!!!

 

[Esav Benyamin]

It look like we may see a resolution shortly.
Let's relax here until Michaelmcgo has a chance to work with this.

 

[Macchina]

Ec9,
Thank you very much for responding to me. I hope we can work this out now and both go on to being friendly again.
I have broken your response up and replied to each of your points. Please let me know how you would like to resolve this.

This is pretty swell a whole thread about little 'ol me. Well let me first start out by saying I am not a scamer... But it's nice to see all the people who jump on the band wagon internet forum style to issue a beating... When they don't have any info on a given transaction. It wasn't like I didn't ship anything to the guy. Infact there's a picture above that proves I did. I also can't be sure both didn't show up in the box. And the post office said the same. Lack of comunication after the 18th was a result of relocation(with everything else going on at the time,sorry this took a back seat). This is the first time I have logged in in over a month or had internet access for that matter.

Aside from all that I'm not 100% sure you did not get both knives.

I understand where you are coming from, but due to the lack of tape (as is evidenced by the picture), and the fact that the knives were loose in the box, I think you can trust me that the knife fell out. Having said that, it is still just my word we are ever going to be able to go by here. On the same note, I also do not know that you sent both knives, but I trust that they both did leave your house. You had not been dishonest with me up until this point (see below), so I choose to take your word if you'll take mine.

The picture clearly shows that no tape was used on the box. When I received the knife, the small amount of adhesive the post office boxes provide was very tacky and did not secure the contents at all. The box I sent to you was very well taped. I feel it is your responsibility to secure the package properly, and because the knife fell out, I feel it your responsibility to replace it. If you are going to say it is not your responsibility to replace it when you don't properly package it, then by that logic you could ship knives in a lunch bag and say "screw you" when it doesn't arrive.

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I also am sorry about the one you claim you did get being ATS34. I was told it was in fact 154 blade steel when it was traded to me here. The rough going rate on that blade in the shape I sent it to you in ATS34 is about 75 bucks.

Then how come you told me it was M2? That is a much more valuable knife and the reason I wanted to trade!
Your words exactly about the knife when were discussing the trade:

From: <ecaskey@gmail.com> Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:50 PM
To: -
It's 154cm. Here's a pic of it. Let me know for sure if you do so I
can put it aside I just got another hit on it this morning.

photo-7.JPG392K

From:<ecaskey@gmail.com> Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:11 PM
To: -
Correction it's M2. Sorry about that I was looking at something else.

I searched for it just to check for sure

http://zknives.com/knives/fixed/prod/nimravus.shtml

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The last few smallflys I have seen went for 120-130. So my take on this is I owe you about 50 bucks which I will be happy to paypal you with no issue. I indeed do not have the smallfly anymore and it was sold for 100. I make no excuses for that. I sold a bunch of knives around that time and needed the cash.

One day after you received my Smallfly, you sold one on the exchange for $150. I feel you are being dishonest with me in the above statement, and you never even checked to make sure the knives you sent me arrived safely before you sold my Smallfly (because they were still in the mail and not delivered until the 13th). I am both hurt that you sold my knife the day after you got it, and also that you lie to me about it now.

Proof my Smallfly was delivered to you on August 11th: USPS Tracking
Your thread in the exchange on August 12th, stating you sold a Smallfly for $150.

You say you "needed" the money, making it sound as if you had financial problems. However if you look at your post history, you posted a WTB Spyderco Paramilitary Thread 1 day after selling the Smallfly. Please don't try to excuse your selling my knife the day after you got it because you needed money to buy other knives.


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Every other transaction I have had either selling or trading has been flawless and that inclues trades worth over 500 dollars easy and even with leos no less.

If you think I'm trying to short change you with the 50 dollar offer then show me otherwise and I'll adjust it. But like I said given the fact I have no idea if you really did or did not get it since the box showed up. I think this is a fair offer. The question that plagues me is if someone did happen to take it out of the box at the post office, why not take both? I spent countless hours with the post office on the phone and in person over this. I also offered to send you 65 bucks the day after it happened if you recall.

Anyway I'm trying my best to make this as right as I can and I'll leave it at that.

This was the value I received from you when you told me you were interested in trading your Ritter Grip to me:

From: <ecaskey@gmail.com> Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM
To: -
The ritter runs about 120 I can paypal you 40 bucks if that works
otherwise I have to think for a min.

These are the only ways we can fairly fix this trade:

A. Completely reverse the trade. This is not possible because you sold my knife before checking to see if your knives arrived safely.
B. Pay for a new Ritter Grip and have it sent to my house OR send me the original $120 you quoted your Ritter Grip as being worth.
C. Send me the $150 you sold my Smallfly for and I will return your Nimravus to you.

Please don't lowball me with a $50 offer, I'm not trying to screw you, I'm trying to fix this fairly for both of us. How is a $50 offer fair to me when the knife I didn't receive was worth $120 (your quote). That simply does not compute for me!

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Mods please review all my post and see if I have screwed or tried to screw anyone over. I wouldn't and certianly not over a lously 100 dollar knife.

Please don't try to make a small deal of this. I feel like you stole from me if you don't not make this right.

 

[Knife Crazied]

From what I have read it looks like you own michaelmcgo a ritter mini grip or $120.

 

[Macchina]

I know I came across as harsh, but this is starting to really bother me. I don't want this to turn into a bash on ec9, I really want to fix this fairly for both of us. I don't think I'm outta sorts to think $50 is a lowball.

 

[Knife Crazied]

I know I came across as harsh, but this is starting to really bother me. I don't want this to turn into a bash on ec9, I really want to fix this fairly for both of us. I don't think I'm outta sorts to think $50 is a lowball.

I agree thats a lowball maybe $100 for so.

 

[RevDevil]

As long as a Priority box has no tape around it, I can lift that flap easily, and reset it almost as securely as it had been. All these little things are so easy to do right: pack thoroughly around the item/s, tape an address to each item inside the box, tape around the box both ways. A few extra minutes secures the contents against slipping out and against theft as well, to a great extent. Once this is done properly, insurance will be more successfully pursued in case of loss.

But in any event, there is no excuse for one party to a dispute to absent himself from the discussion.

I always make it a point to secure any knife I sell or trade. Tape is very inexpensive compared to replacing any knife. I have been sent knives and found them rollong around the box with no tape on the outside. I am lucky to have received the parcels without any problems. Just take the extra few seconds and secure the package with tape.

 

[EMT_Lee]

I know I came across as harsh, but this is starting to really bother me. I don't want this to turn into a bash on ec9, I really want to fix this fairly for both of us. I don't think I'm outta sorts to think $50 is a lowball.

No, $50 is a lowball offer, IMO. I'd say you have the right to be a little pissed.

 

[bigmark408]

Hello,
Got a problem here. I was contacted on August 8th by ec9 looking to trade my discontinued Spyderco Smallfly for his Ritter Griptilian and what he said was a M2 Benchmade Nimravus. I agreed to trade and we both shipped Priority Mail with tracking numbers. We both shipped on Aug 9th. The Smallfly arrived to him on Aug 11th. The package he sent to me was miss-routed and arrived to me on Aug 13th. There was no tape on the box (large flat rate Priority) and the flap had come undone, causing the Ritter Grip to fall out or be stolen! The adhesive on the flap was very tacky and I'm frankly surprised the Nimravus stayed in there at all.

I contacted ec9 immediately and confirmed that the box I received was the one he sent. He confirmed the handwriting was his. We agreed to hold onto all the knives involved in the trade in case we had to reverse it. For the next two months he claimed to have gone to the post office many times and talked to various people trying to get a refund. Communication was great until his last email on September 28th. I have emailed him 4 times since then and have not received a reply. He last logged onto Bladeforums on 10-21-2010 05:32 PM, so I know he didn't die...

And now for the good stuff:

I researched the "M2" Nimravus he sent me in this thread. Turns out it's most likely ATS-34...

On Aug 12th (one day after he received my Smallfly), ec9 sold a LNIB Spyderco Smallfly...

Please be aware if you deal with him. I have his real name, email, and address. Is there anything I can do that is worth my while?

The box with no tape whatsoever. Notice how easily I was able to open the flap the rest of the way.

Did USPS deliver this package with a notice that it had been damaged or opened ?

From my experiance, this is what they do in such a case.

 

[bigmark408]

This is pretty swell a whole thread about little 'ol me. Well let me first start out by saying I am not a scamer... But it's nice to see all the people who jump on the band wagon internet forum style to issue a beating... When they don't have any info on a given transaction. It wasn't like I didn't ship anything to the guy. Infact there's a picture above that proves I did. I also can't be sure both didn't show up in the box. And the post office said the same. Lack of comunication after the 18th was a result of relocation(with everything else going on at the time,sorry this took a back seat). This is the first time I have logged in in over a month or had internet access for that matter.

Aside from all that I'm not 100% sure you did not get both knives. I also am sorry about the one you claim you did get being ATS34. I was told it was in fact 154 blade steel when it was traded to me here. The rough going rate on that blade in the shape I sent it to you in ATS34 is about 75 bucks. The last few smallflys I have seen went for 120-130. So my take on this is I owe you about 50 bucks which I will be happy to paypal you with no issue. I indeed do not have the smallfly anymore and it was sold for 100. I make no excuses for that. I sold a bunch of knives around that time and needed the cash.

Every other transaction I have had either selling or trading has been flawless and that inclues trades worth over 500 dollars easy and even with leos no less.

If you think I'm trying to short change you with the 50 dollar offer then show me otherwise and I'll adjust it. But like I said given the fact I have no idea if you really did or did not get it since the box showed up. I think this is a fair offer. The question that plagues me is if someone did happen to take it out of the box at the post office, why not take both? I spent countless hours with the post office on the phone and in person over this. I also offered to send you 65 bucks the day after it happened if you recall.

Anyway I'm trying my best to make this as right as I can and I'll leave it at that.

Mods please review all my post and see if I have screwed or tried to screw anyone over. I wouldn't and certianly not over a lously 100 dollar knife.

Hopefully you package your more expensive transactions better.

I have received packages shipped like yours without any issues.

I package the stuff i send much more securely to avoid such issues.

Number 1 rule that if all else fails " Common Sense " will get you through life .

I would be suspicious because there is no damaged or opened sticker that came with the package.

This is a hard one to judge...i hope you can both be civil and come to an agreement in private.

Edited to add.
IMO, the title of this thread should be changed (scamming) is not a fact here.

 

[ec9]

Michael pm me your email again and I'll take care of this, we will figure it out. Sorry for the delay with all this brother.

-E

 

[wolfmann601]

Hooray

Sounds like "little 'ol you" is going to make this right.

Looks like the beating worked

 

[EMT_Lee]

Hopefully you package your more expensive transactions better.

I have received packages shipped like yours without any issues.

I package the stuff i send much more securely to avoid such issues.

Number 1 rule that if all else fails " Common Sense " will get you through life .

I would be suspicious because there is no damaged or opened sticker that came with the package.

This is a hard one to judge...i hope you can both be civil and come to an agreement in private.

Edited to add.
IMO, the title of this thread should be changed (scamming) is not a fact here.

Very often, a damaged or open package gets delivered without the notice sticker on the box. To be honest, I've seen more without than with.

 

[Macchina]

I am in contact with ec9 and he is working hard to make this even. He has offered me a nice deal to even things up and looks like things are going to all be worked out. His tone and attitude are both very positive and I am very happy to hear from him.

Thanks ec9!