Ed Schott's AWESOME Camp Knife in CPM 3V

Best edge I've ever owned is on 3V.

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"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, the bear eats you."
 
Thanks, Ed.

I really like this piece, simple as it is. A drop point has the most accurate feel to me, because the point closely aligns with the centerline of the blade. If you place a finger along the top of the blade as a guide, the blade becomes an extension of your finger.
The slightly thinned, extended tip makes fine caping work possible--meaning I don't have to carry an extra caping blade. The belly makes slick skinning strokes, and the slight angle from hilt to belly makes the knife seem wider at the belly than at the hilt, suggesting a hint of recurve. This slight angle gives extra power when torquing through a joint or opening a sternum. It also adds control to any cuts made with force on the secton of edge near the hilt, because the material you're cutting doesn't try to slip away.
The grip shape is comfortable and secure in any position, and the slightly extended, angled pommel let's you back up on the handle and still maintain some security. All in a fairly compact package. Put that together with Ed's strong, razor thin 3V edge for zipping meat off bone, and I'm beginning to ... get excited!

Donna--What's so sexy about Ed's blades? I just can't seem to put my finger on it--maybe you can help?...
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Best to all,
Will
 
Ed, nice looking profile, still like the wharncliff though, the guard is handy I'm sure Will is chomping at the bit to get it!

G2

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"The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions!"
Take the time to read your Bible Now, don't be left behind...


G2 LeatherWorks
 
Cliff,

That Schott knife you sent me was 3V, right? I had tested Cliff's knife, and while doing some hard chopping, ended up smacking a partly-sunken piece of rock (concrete, it turned out) that I hadn't noticed just under the dirt. I was chopping very hard, and was surprised the steel got some dings instead of chipping out (the dings subsequently did fall off when I straightened them on a steel). By contrast, my thicker-edge Carbon V SRK chipped when I duplicated the test, as I recall.

Joe
 
This concrete testing trend with Ed's 3V blades is a little extreme for me. I'm as interested in finding the next Excalibur as the next person, but I thought the stone penetration thing was just legend.
Come on, Donna, Cliff, Joe. One concrete stabbing/chopping incident might be an accident, but THREE? I think there's a hidden agenda here. Merlin, where are you?

"My Kingdom for a SCHOTT!"
 
Originally posted by Donna Barnas:
I refer to it as my "limb lopper."
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Okay, Donna, now you're scaring me. Dare I ask what qualifies as a "limb" in your vernacular? Don't Chop it--Bobbit?

Ouch!



[This message has been edited by WILL YORK (edited 04-24-2000).]
 
Donna--
No censorship required here--you're a girl after my own heart. I do admit to preferring a shotgun over a short sword for self defense, however.

To paraphrase the tag line of the great GAUCHO:

Tuvo muy mala suerte. Se paso en frente de mi escopeta.
Escuche. Estan llorando las palomas para ti?
No. Ya no. Siguen cantando, nada mas.
 
Ralf--
Although 3V's chromium content is well below stainless levels, it does have a dose of vanadium to occupy some of its carbon, which leaves more free chromium than in non-vanadium steels. I have a 3V blade that has seen a lot of use over quite a while--I bought it second-hand. It's been stored in a leather sheath, and although it does have some very small speckles of surface staining, it is rust free. Couldn't comment on contact with salt water environments with this steel, yet. There are others much more qualified than I to give you the skinny on rates of oxidation/corrosion in specific environments. But it doesn't require as much care as most "carbon steels" I've used.
Maybe Ed can elucidate further.
--Will

[This message has been edited by WILL YORK (edited 04-24-2000).]
 
Gaucho's tag line reads:
"Tuvo muy mala suerte--se callo en mi cuchillo." which translates:
"You (or he/she) had very bad luck--you fell on my knife."

My paraphrase goes something like:
"You had very bad luck--you walked in front of my shotgun.
Listen--are the doves crying for you?
No, no not now. They continue singing, nothing more.
 
According to Crucible, CPM-3V is similar to D2 in regards to corrosion resistance, this is from Phil Wilson. No first hand experience on my part, I will however do some soaks on the 3V blade I have this week and compare it to some other blades I have including a D2 one.

Will, for me the attraction to Ed's blades is the extreme edge profile, I personally would not call it sexy but they do make a strong impression. As for a 6 degree bevel, talk about extreme cutting power, and here I was all impressed about the 10 degree bevel I put on my #7 Basic this weekend.

Donna, thanks for the offer on the sample material, I would appreciate it when you get the time, always looking for new benchmarks for blade performance. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, the surface finish will have a profound effect on the results of your soak test. I know from working with both D2 and CPM-3V, they rust enthusiastically while in the rough grind state. After finishing, they are much less prone to rusting. While CPM-3V will not polish at all, but can be made very smooth regardless, I would suggest you have both blades finished to their finest possible surface. D2 can be polished (reluctantly) and is clearly more rust resistant if that is done.

You might also find it of interest to test an ATS-34 blade that is only rough ground. I think the results will prove enlightening.
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Jerry Hossom
www.hossom.com

[This message has been edited by GaKnife (edited 04-25-2000).]
 
Cliff--
Six degrees of separation power certainly does it for me. When will we be seeing a head-to-head between one of Ed's 3V thin blades and your Wilson 10V Coyote Meadow? Do you need anyone to help with crowd control during testing? If so, I'm there.

Jerry--
I'm amazed at how easily ATS-34 will rust in the rough, as well. I think one reason Phil Wilson was slow to get started with 10V was that it rusted readily in the rough stock form, but after finishing he found that even with kitchen use it only discolored to a dark gray--no rust problems whatever. Highest possible grit finish seems a must with these steels for ease of maintenance. Thanks for your typically illuminating commentary.

--Will

 
Jerry, noted, I intended to look at finish in terms of it effecting rusting but never got around to it in detail. For me what I am most concerned about is edge effects so I will be looking at several finishes and how it effects the loss in cutting ability and the work required to restore the edge. I will be noting surface effects but after doing many soaks I have concluded that you would need to live in saltwater for this to be a factor.

Will, it is in the works. By the way, if you get a chance, try to handle one of Chris Reeves blades, while the profile will not match Ed's, they edges are very acute for production knives, especially considering that they are sold as heavier use blades.

-Cliff
 
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