Edd Harbin

LAG3

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I have taken two weeks to cool off after this botched deal. Here are the facts:

-Edd offered me an Ivan Campos Vespa model in trade for a NIB Commander.
-He valued the knife at $250.00.
-The knife I received was the $140.00 economy version Ivan sold a few months ago with an etched finish. This knife has actual pits in the blade and drops of epoxy on the handle. Not $250.00 custom quality.
-When I asked Edd to consider trading back, he declined, stating "a deal is a deal", disregarding the etiquette here on the forums, that a deal is NOT a deal unless both parties are happy.
-I will not deal with Edd again. If you choose to do so, get an ACCURATE description of the item and ask about his return policy.
-No matter how you slice it, $140 is NOT the same as $250. That is misrepresentation of the item.
-Can a 140 pound pencilneck fight Tyson for the heavyweight title then? If you're offered $250 for a job and the guy pays you $140, is that okay? Not with me it isn't.

Leo Gilbert
 
I would really like to see Edd's side of this before making a comment on this. From what is posted here, I know how I would respond. I have found that without hearing both sides, I have later had to pull my head out of my butt because I jumped to the wrong conclusion. Not wanting to find myself in that situation again, I will wait to make my thoughts on this known.
 
Well Keith, if anything has come out of those last 'he said, she said' GB&U threads, I think alot of us are feeling the way you are.

We know what's 'right', but as Dave said, it's really the 'other' party's place to reply to this accusation first, not ours.

Thank for reminding me... ;)

Sheldon
 
I was up front in this trade . I sent pics (numerous) and offered more pics if needed . He was informed that it was a coated blade , and could see so in the pics . Some people offer a "screening period" with their deals . They state the fact in their posts . I didn't offer this , and don't intend to unless requested . As far as the both sides are satisfied thing , I'm not shipping knives back and forth because I oe somebody else changed my mind after the deal . If I had misrepresented the knife that would be anouther story . If I hadn't sent pics and offered any info , including web site info for Mr. Campos , again anouther story . I offer to send pics of every knife that I trade . This is a case of someone changing their mind and wanting a refund , if that is what you want go to a BM with a storefront . I'm sorry that he changed his mind , but that is the horse tradeing buisness . He got exactly the knife pictured and described , nothing more , and nothing less .
 
Edd, I agree. I would not refund or trade back on a knife just because somebody changed thier mind...This aint Wal-Mart ya know.

However, mis-representation is another story. Did you really tell him it was a 250 dollar model when in fact it was a 140 dollar version?
 
I was sent one out of focus picture and referred to the maker's website where the knife was pictured for $250 with a beautiful hand-satin finished blade. I was told the knife had a coated blade after it was in the mail. Coated, not pitted Edd. My story stands that the item was misrepresented. I paid $170 for the Commander, and got a $140 knife in trade. Net loss: $30 plus shipping, etc. I'm not trying to get my knife back. Just stating that I learned my lesson. Ask questions and don't believe everything people tell you over the internet. I am not giving anyone advice or calling Edd names or any of that other crap that goes on here. Buyer beware. You bet your money and take your chances if you want to. I won't do it again.

Yes he did state the knife was worth $250.00. No mention of the marked-down prices or economy finish until the knives were already in transit.

Leo Gilbert
 
I told him the value that mr Campos told me . I also told him that this was a knife that i got in trade with Mr. Campos , I didn't have cash in the knife , only a trade value . I wasn't selling , I was tradeing a knife . I even threw in a clip to replace the J clip that would not hold . The clip was from Normark , and was extra . That was the clip pictured by the way .He also was trying to value a 2000 comander that shows wear on the screws and clip at $200 . I know better than that , but it was what I was willing to take . He knew everything about the Vespa , and was willing to trade his knife for it . Then He got it , waited an afternoon and changed his mind .
 
yeah. Anyone can find the thread in the custom fixed blades for sale forum where the knife is described and offered at a $140.00 value from the maker. Like I said, I will do more homework next time. I, on the other hand, told Edd about the wear on the screws on the Commander, that happens to all of them as soon as you take them out of the box. I told him I repainted them with Rust-oleum. I valued the knife at $170.00, just what I paid for it.
 
Edd, you are correct, you should not have to refund someone or cancel a trade because someone changes their minds. This however is a very different kettle of fish. Even though it was unintentional, you did misrepresent the price of the knife. Also, sending a poor quality picture and then saying refer to the picture on the web site is also misleading.

Ivan would never say he was sending you a $250.00 if he was indeed sending you one worth $140.00. I have done business with Ivan and know that he would have made it very clear which version you were getting. If the blade was pitted and had drops of epoxy on it, that should have been easy to see and LAG3 should have been told about these flaws before he made his decision. Especially if he could not see them in a fuzzy picture.
 
I also had a value in the Vespa . I had Mr. Campos make changes to the fingerguard and sheath . Not his normal procedure . The value i stated to LAG3 was the $200-250 range , I had more than $200 dollars in the knife when counting trades and Normark clip . That was the value I had on the knife . LAG3 had used and painted the Commander and still had a Value of $170 - 200 in the Emerson . I don't think it was worth that in cash , but it was worth the knife traded . I stand by my trade .

My story , his story , believe what you will . I have dealt with many of you , and i'll let that stand for it's self . I have no i'll will towards Mr Lag3 , but I fooled nobody , and was fooled by nobody .
 
The thread is Ivan campos Vespa up for trade .....

It always disturbs me to see the law referred to by such phrases as "the etiquette here on the forums" but I suppose people will keep on doing it. However many times people call it things like "the etiquette" and "the custom" and things like that, it's still the law....
 
If less people want to deal with me , then so be it . I have never screwed anybody , and don't intend to . If you are willing to Believe him , give me the same common curtesy . I will continue to do buisness with anybody willing . Anybody unwilling then good day to you and keep moving on .

How many of you out there have a monetary and a trade value on knives that you are dealing ? I would take X in cash , but Y in trade .... I have had that statement typed to me as many times as you have . I have a value of a knife .... If you don't like that value , then don't buy/trade for that knife .. I'll do the same .
 
Oh yeah , KWM , I never refered him to the web site and said this is what you are getting . LAG3 asked about the maker and I told him where to look for Ivan's site . I never said or implied that the knife he was getting was like the one pictured ...
 
I don't think this is very complicated.

A trade deal is not complete until both sides are satisfied with the trade.

If you trade something to someone, and then they don't think the goods were represented fairly, if you can't strike some small $$ transfer to even things out, then you should be willing to take back your goods, and send their goods back to them. You end up exactly where you started minus shipping costs. No ill feelings or bad rep on GB&U.

For most people, the shipping costs are a fairly minor annoyance compared to the bad will generated when people won't unwind a trade.
 
Good opinions being brought up,I will refrain from saying who is right and wrong here,because I'm not really sure anybody is,micommunication or Misunderstanding perhaps?I think the biggest piece of advice here is this,Before sealing a deal, inquire from the other party if they offer an inspection period if you want one.While I'm not saying I disagree with having one,you should not ASS*UME there is one.If there is concrete misrepresentation,then that is a horse of another color,return priveldges should be a given.A few extra words in an e-mail is worth the prevention of all the BS that comes out of these deals.
 
Edd's unwillingness to send LAG3 back his knife indicates to me that he knows he made out like a bandit. If he really stood by the deal, he would have no problem making LAG whole.
 
...part three of the 'deal' states that it's a 'done' deal when both parties agree that it is indeed a 'done' deal...

Being that one of the parties here isn't happy with the outcome, it is not a consumated deal, ergo, the knives should be returned, or a cash settlement offer tendered.

That's my read. Edd, I won't be trading/buying anything from you in the future. Please don't offer to buy/trade for anything I have 'up' at BFC either.

All the best...

Mel
 
I have dealt with Edd and he treated me with top respect. I never really chime in on these threads only because I never like to take sides unless it's the winning one! ;) I will say that when I make a deal with anyone be it a trade or a sale by me, I never put the knife in my pocket or the money in the bank until I am told that the other party is happy!!! One of the question's might be" how long do I wait til I know the other party is happy as well." I think to many factors might get in the way to answer this such as: Other person may be away for a few day's or my package may have not made it there as well as other things that might have happened.I am not speaking for anyone but myself. I will wait about a week to hear from someone.At that point the knife is going in my pocket or the check is in the bank!!! That is just my way and you can bank on that!!!!!!
 
So you thought you were gonna rip off a $250 knife for $170, but ended up with $140 instead. And I'm supposed to feel sorry for you? Forget it. Bet you would have been all giggly like a little girl if you made out $80 to the good, huh, and complimented yourself for your ultra cool business prowess. rd and melvin threw $30 worth of pity in your direction. There, now you're all nice and squared up.
 
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