Elusive Schrades

Here's a schrade walden 808 2 3/4'' jr stockman with red wavy bone handles. The 808 is a common pattern but they are quite elusive with genuine bone handles. It has the old style schrade finish and pinned bolsters. It is in pretty decent shape and barely used. Really neat knife, small and easy to lose. :eek:

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Pretty bone. :cool::thumbsup:
 
That's a superb example Charlie, Like you say Schrade made- or Ulster - both are exact - or so I thought!!:confused: you can see a difference between the Ulster and Schrade versions- of which I have in front of me this very moment as I was going to do some Comparison shots for study between the two, the cut down on the tip of your Spey suggests to me that this is Schrade Made, as there is a slight difference between the Speys. not so with the Pen Blades though - they are exactly the same. The Main Blade on the Ulster seems to be a slightly slimmer blade in width as well.
I can post up later the differences once I have done comparative shots later if you wish?
 
I'm always interested, Duncan!! Please show what you find!
The things I find interesting about that knife above is, it says "Razor Blade Stainless - Pat Pending", in the etch, and "Stainless" on the shield!!! (instead of "Old Timer")
All the blade grinds are double!! They have a long acute bevel, and a fine sharp edge!! I don't know whether they were intending to patent the steel, or the grind!!?? Either way they are all as sharp as the dickens!!:eek:
 
Hey Charlie...

Here are my observations, they are on 3 Knives and importantly please note that these are unused as sharpening would change everything here.
One of these is the Son of yours that you just posted my friend.

The Ulster Old Timer shown in here with a Schrade Walden Stamped 3 bladed beauty ( the son of yours ), and a two Bladed Craftsman sfo -Sears.

There is always confusion of the Manufacturer between Ulster and Schrade - this Totally includes me, so having these three unused knives in front of me for a wee Study I am doing is a blessing, I was interested when you posted up yours with the ? of Ulster or Schrade.

There are differences between the Ulster Old Timer and the "what-I can gather-to be" Schrades.... if you would follow me and see what you think after this ( having one stamped Schrade Walden is great for the "referencing to"...

The 3 Knives, The Schrade Walden, Craftsman and Ulster OT all share the exact same Frame, Pinned the same. Note the different Blade configurations on them.

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When you see the Knives open together like this, and weren't looking for what we are, you would be forgiven to say- " hey- Blades Swapped around- same maker- same Frame etc.

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But in the Photo ( Below ) here now- Look carefully at the Width ( from edge to Spine ) of the two Peach-Seed Delrin Schrade Walden Main Blade's and their Belly's emerging from the Tip down to the Edge, now the Ulster's Main is definitely not as Wide from edge to Spine, and has no Belly emerging from Tip- This difference is Slight I agree BUT there is a difference definitely when looking- and remember these Knives are unused, if you bring your head back and view these from a slight distance - it very much stands out, now after looking at these for a few days I can immediately tell the difference between the two.

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Next is the Spey Blades- I made a comment of the Spey on yours Charlie, and how it chops down on a 45 degree angle from the Spine, to the Tip ( obviously helps for the point to be taken down inside the Liner ), where as the Ulster leads more from the Edge up to the Tip and has a definite different profile as what the Schrade Built Knives do...
Slight differences again I know but the Ulster OT, doesn't have the severe "Cut Down" angle from the Spine towards Tip and most certainly does not have the Belly from the Tip to Edge as the Schrade Walden does, The Schrade has the 'Beefier" Spey Blade .....

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Extremely slight difference between the Pen Blades - where I thought there were none- and commented so after your Post Charlie Sir - but when looking Closer the Pen Blades are EXACT to each other on the Schrades, but when comparing them to the Ulster, they are slightly beefier, also the Ulster's Nail Nick is not as long, also a small but repeating difference is the Choil notch as well on the Schrades - none on the Ulster.

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So the Summary that I can piece together here is that the two Knives with Peach-Seed Delrin - and one of them being a Schrade Walden Stamped Knife- the Other Stamped as a Craftsman ( which means it could be a Ulster, Camillus or Schrade ), after this look this Craftsman is definitely a Schrade.
The Schrade and Craftsman share the same Main, The same Pen, Same Peach-Seed Delrin and the differences stand out enough in the Old Timer to say that these Blades are most certainly different and therefore considered Ulster.

Hey...I could have this totally wrong, but from the pieces all fitting together- its looking to be so!

Charlie the edge looks similar to their ACA Edge ( Amazing Cutting Action )?
 
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Good comparisons, Duncan!! Will we ever completely solve the blending of Schrade and Ulster?? Hard to say! You have made good points with your blade comparisons!
But I have a question - is ACA edge an official designation??:rolleyes: I'm glad that strange grind seems to show up in the pics I posted, but it's essentially nameless. And uber-sharp!!
 
Thank you Charlie!
For me - someone who does not know a lot, not finding out the details or simple plain facts about Baer’s owning and blending of the Companies and just how we got these extremely similar knives but with these fine differences actually leaves me with more questions.
It makes one really want to go back in time and do a Factory visit!!!

I do recall seeing the etching on the Blade Charlie, “ACA edge” o_O
That ring Charlie - you have shown that one before- being a different Colour to their used Turquoise- is that as well a Navajo piece - it’s quite beautiful!
 
Yes, very much Navajo, Duncan! Mediterranean Coral: A lot of it has been traded into the American Southwest over the last 200 years. It is now forbidden to harvest what little is left!!
Only one I've ever seen, Paul T. I might have gotten it from a Schrade Dealer (R.I.P.) whose territory was western Canada!
 
Stunning piece Charlie- I can understand about the want of trying to keep such treasures among the people or at least in the Nation, such past people were quite amazing in their ways.
 
Was the USA made Old Timer 858OT Stockman a common knife?

I found three for sale, from $100 (complete with loose/wiggly blades and broken tips), $125. and $150. I have not seen a fourth for sale.

The 858OT does not seem to be "common and cheap/affordable" as folks claim the USA Schrade family knives are, while bashing the Taylor/BTI offshore manufactured knives, and completely ignoring the fact that Schrade USA had several knives made offshore; such as the Imperial's made in Ireland and other locations, and the "modern" OHO knives made in China.
 
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Was the USA made Old Timer 858OT Stockman a common knife?

I found three for sale, from $100 (complete with loose/wiggly blades and broken tips), $125. and $150. I have not seen a fourth for sale.

The 858OT does not seem to be "common and cheap/affordable" as folks claim the USA Schrade family knives are, while bashing the Taylor/BTI offshore manufactured knives, and completely ignoring the fact that Schrade USA had several knives made offshore; such as the Imperial's made in Ireland and other locations, and the "modern" OHO knives made in China.
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The 858 is not uncommon. Also, there’s no reason to pay anywhere near $125 for one even if it’s perfect. I bought an unused one with the box for $45 a few months ago.

Aside from that, I’m not sure what imported schrades have to do with the context of this thread.
 
This one does not look like anything special, but it is definitely elusive. A schrade that seems to slip under the radar

Schrade walden 110 jr barlow at 2 3/4”. It does not seem to have been used but has been knocking around for years. Handles are white composition. There is no catalog image for it but there is one for the two blade version pattern 210. The description is a bit off though, it describes the white single blade but shows the image and pattern number for a black handle two blade. These could have black or white handles with either blade combo. This exact model is in the price lists in the 1953 catalog as the 110W.

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TheChunk91 said:
This one does not look like anything special, but it is definitely elusive. A schrade that seems to slip under the radar

Schrade walden 110 jr barlow at 2 3/4”. It does not seem to have been used but has been knocking around for years. Handles are white composition. There is no catalog image for it but there is one for the two blade version pattern 210. The description is a bit off though, it describes the white single blade but shows the image and pattern number for a black handle two blade. These could have black or white handles with either blade combo. This exact model is in the price lists in the 1953 catalog as the 110W.

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Those are pretty rare IMO, Paul. I found a 210W a little while back. I've shared it before, but here it is again, next to a regular sized barlow pattern.

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