Emerson liner lock vs frame locks strength?

Metal Made Fox said:
How about this video of a CQC-7 failing miserably on the first spine whack? (skip to the 7:35 mark and turn on the captioning)

[video=youtube_share;TEevz-fh7cU]http://youtu.be/TEevz-fh7cU?t=7m35s[/video]
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I like this guys video's. He really puts knives to the test. His ADAMAS video is great. Really shows what punishment it can take.
 
billygoat78 said:
the 3 emersons I've held/used all had extremely weak locks, as in the locks didn't force themselves under the blade with hardly any force at all. A light breeze in the right direction could disengage them.
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2 of the 20 to 25 Emersons I used to own had lock failure from just applying a tiny amount of pressure on the spine. I believe another 2 of them also had lock slippage as well (which is the first step to lock failure).

billygoat78 said:
That, combined with the *cough, cough* miserable fit and finish I've seen on those leads me to trust my sebenza lock up FAR more.
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And you should trust your Sebenza MUCH more. Sebenza and E***son don't even belong in the same sentence.

billygoat78 said:
Plus the Emerson pivot screws kept falling out, despite thread tape and/or loc-tite, which further diminishes my confidence or desire to use them for much beyond cutting paper and boxes. If they can't even make a pivot screw that fits, I don't trust them much to make a successful lock (which requires much closer tolerances and geometry).
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I know for a fact that literally all of the Emersons I've owned had this issue. I never had a pivot screw actually fall out but they would loosen up regularly from just openeing and closing it. Most of them were cured with loctite but there were a few that would still loosen up occasionally. This is probably the most common issue with Emersons. I honestly can't believe that I was ever on an Emerson craze at one point. I am still appalled at myself to this day for buying into all the hype. There are much better knives out there for much less money.
 
Metal Made Fox said:
How about this video of a CQC-7 failing miserably on the first spine whack? (skip to the 7:35 mark and turn on the captioning.
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I can do that too.
Much lighter tap than that giant Russian gave it and it fails.
No need to fast forward just watch the first 15 seconds.
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cncpro11 said:
I can do that too.
Much lighter tap than that giant Russian gave it and it fails.
No need to fast forward just watch the first 15 seconds.
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To be fair ALL liner locks will fail from a spinewhack test. There is no way around it, however I have seen a few other liner lock knives that can take a lot of spinewhacks before failing.
 
I love this quote from onion pop tarts:

"Is Metal Made Fox the Emerson sub-forums designated troll? If not he should be, he embodies the stereotypical Emerson basher; guys perfect. He's got that perfect mix of unfounded and over exaggerated claims, coupled with that snarky righteous attitude that one would expect from the kind of person who feels entitled to something because they drive a nice car, or take offense to a joke because they know someone whose had [fill in blank]... In short I think he's perfect for the job. Despite clearly disliking EKI he takes considerable time out of his day to post as I've said before his exaggerated and unfounded claims in an attempt to rustle everyone's jimmies."
 
jmorton10 said:
I love this quote from onion pop tarts:

"Is Metal Made Fox the Emerson sub-forums designated troll? If not he should be, he embodies the stereotypical Emerson basher; guys perfect. He's got that perfect mix of unfounded and over exaggerated claims, coupled with that snarky righteous attitude that one would expect from the kind of person who feels entitled to something because they drive a nice car, or take offense to a joke because they know someone whose had [fill in blank]... In short I think he's perfect for the job. Despite clearly disliking EKI he takes considerable time out of his day to post as I've said before his exaggerated and unfounded claims in an attempt to rustle everyone's jimmies."
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No, I'm not a troll. I speak from experience with nothing but honesty and no exaggerations. I have probably owned more Emersons than a lot of the guys here. Like I said before, a long time ago before I was a newbie to knives, I was on an extreme Emerson craze. Then I realized that it is criminally immoral to charge over $200.00 for a liner lock knife with 154cm, and above all terrible manufacturing quality. Maybe some of you can't see it but I can now that I have owned at least 1 knife from just about every production manufacturer in the world (even the brands you've never heard about).

But you know what? Maybe in a way pop tarts is right. Why the Hell should I care what people decide to waste their money on? If you guys like the knives that's all that matters. Why am I even here in the Emerson subforum? I'll shut up now, goodbye everyone.
 
Metal Made Fox said:
To be fair ALL liner locks will fail from a spinewhack test. There is no way around it, however I have seen a few other liner lock knives that can take a lot of spinewhacks before failing.
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And here is a vid showing a Sebenza fail a spine whack.
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....and here's a funny one showing a brand spanking new Strider!

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cncpro11 said:
Stop lying you are the perfect definition of troll and any other subforum would run you out on a rail.
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Just because my experiences differ from yours doesn't mean I'm a troll. If I were a troll I'd probably do something silly like a make a wise ass remark about your weight or something.

cncpro11 said:
Because you are Duro in disguise and the KAI guys have had enough of you.
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What does that even mean? :confused:
 
Metal Made Fox said:
Just because my experiences differ from yours doesn't mean I'm a troll. If I were a troll I'd probably do something silly like a make a wise ass remark about your weight or something.



What does that even mean? :confused:
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You never add anything positive to this forum, like others have pointed out you are here to talk crap and piss people off, just like Duro used to do in the KAI forum.

That is what makes you a troll.
 
Metal Made Fox said:
To be fair ALL liner locks will fail from a spinewhack test..
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So will most framelocks, they just cost so F****** much that nobody wants to abuse them like that to test it out.

If you want a knife that will take that kind of flat out stupid abuse, you buy a fixed blade unless you're a complete moron.

~John
 
I read what others say but No ONE convinces me of something in here without me checking it out myself. Other than the design of some of the Emersons, the main reason I wanted to check them out was just because some so vehemently talk crap about them.

And now I know For A Fact that Emerson Knives "quality wise" is absolutely no different than CRK / Strider / DPx Gear /Lion Steel / Spyderco etc. Everyone of those companies just mentioned every now and then let crap get through. It is simple. You simply send it back. - They Want You To Be Happy!

I now have two Emersons. The7 tanto with serrations and John M. here in Emerson forum hooked me up (righteously) with a Super7 tanto blk plain edge. Both absolutely perfect. Now how is that? Oh- I just got lucky?

You know how I know (I'd guess) most of the complaints are garbage? It always sound like the same script but yet No One (with a few exceptions) ever let's the company make it right because they either never even had the knife in the first place because they don't have the funds and it's easier to try an rain on someone else's fun and enjoyment. It is actually sick IMO.

I can promise Every Reader in here, I can do a video of every folding knife you actually have and make the lock fail. I would be more than happy to pay someone a crisp $100.00 bill and I will pay the shipping both ways to prove your knives are junk and I'd be especially thrilled to do an 'over-built hard use Custom folder'. I have a feeling there will be no takers. Like John said (basically) "you want fail proof, buy a fixed blade." <sheesh>
 
I can make any knife fail, so what's the point? Even a fixed blade will fail if not used properly. Hell, I bet I can make a crowbar fail.

The point is, if you use these tools properly and are aware of their limitations, they will serve you well.

That said, I've never had a problem with any of my Emersons, or for that matter, any of my knives where I had to send them back (except maybe a couple of prototype customs, but those were tweaks).

Also, I find it hard to believe that a pivot screw fell out despite having loctite on it. I use that on my header bolts, and they stay in. Even if your pivot screw had no threads, loctite will hold.
 
After all of the posts I think I will just buy one and see how I like it. After all, they are about half of what I spend on my striders and CRK's.
Thanks!
 
Pivot screws loosen at times.
My Umnumzaan, along with a Spyderco Waved Endura, AND my ZT 0550 end up loosening.
Because I HATE Loc-tite...so I just tighten them back up. :)

And with Emerson, come on! It's a flat head screw.
I tighten the pivot to my liking with my thumbnail.
 
Richard1234 said:
After all of the posts I think I will just buy one and see how I like it. After all, they are about half of what I spend on my striders and CRK's.
Thanks!
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Good choice.
If you don't like it, you can trade it pretty easily. :)
 
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