Emerson vs. Strider. Help me decide.

FunkMasterFlex said:
They are incredibly beautiful, extremely overbuilt, around the same price as the striders, straight from rick. Lucky for you your service allows you to deal directly with Rick. You can customize your knife however you like, blade length, gring style, handle scale material, flipper or nonflipper.

All for the $400 range, same as Striders and Chris Reeves.

For that money I would have to strongly advise you to get one. They actually appreciate in value, which is ofcourse fairly rare in knives.

The demand is such that you can sell your used xm-18 for $600 on the secondary market.

The current wait time for non leo, military, emt, fd, etc. is around 6 months through a dealer.

I hope I'm not confusing you with someone else but I remember you having something to do with Vice. If you are indeed any of those service members listed above you'll get you're knife in around 2 weeks. It is made by Rick himself.

Oh I forgot, you can choose blade and titanium integral lock finish. Blades can be beadblasted, satin finished, or tumbled. Integral lock side can be tumbled, blasted, or anodized, which looks especially excellent.

Hope that helps man.
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I thought there was a such a backlog of Hinderer knives that there was a huge wait time and the prices were much more than $400... Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
 
Even though you don't really like tantos I think you should REALLY take a look at a 0400. It is incredibly solid and even though it is a liner lock it's a very thick liner and I have no doubt it would withstand hard stabs. It has the pointiest tip I ever seen on a tanto I think it might pass your kevlar test.It's the pointiest, most wicked of the Zt line Imo.It's like a needle.
 
I own both Emerson CQC11 and Strider SMF GG. I love both knives but they are very different animals. The Emerson is a fighting knife that can be used for EDC. The Strider is more a heavy duty utility knife that can be used for fighting. Both these knives are so different that they dont compete with each other. I would not sell/trade either of them from my collection.

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If I was in your situation I would go Emerson over Strider. Another great option is ZT Knives.

Emerson CQC 13
Emerson CQC 11
Emerson CQC 8
ZT 0200
ZT 0300 series
 
Strider +1 for a user and solidly built!!! I have used mine to cut through multiple legs of 16ga wire and did it with ZERO edge distortion...
 
FunkMasterFlex said:
I'm guessing the Spanto grind is completely capable of stabbing through kevlar.
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Many knives are capable of doing that. But that doesn't mean they would be ideal for such situations. If you tried hard enough, I'm sure you could use a Strider tanto for that, but you would be forcing yourself to do more work than necessary when you could have just picked a more effective tool for the job.
 
Kaizen1 said:
Many knives are capable of doing that. But that doesn't mean they would be ideal for such situations. If you tried hard enough, I'm sure you could use a Strider tanto for that, but you would be forcing yourself to do more work than necessary when you could have just picked a more effective tool for the job.
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Of course, I can't say I know much about stabbing through kevlar, but I would think you would want a tip that is thicker rather than thinner.

I would imagine there's going to be a fair amount of stress on the tip.
 
FunkMasterFlex said:
Of course, I can't say I know much about stabbing through kevlar, but I would think you would want a tip that is thicker rather than thinner.

I would imagine there's going to be a fair amount of stress on the tip.
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You'd want a tip thickness that could withstand that type of use, but not any thicker (or much thicker). I don't know how the tip of the XM-18 measures up to the CRKT fixed Hissatsu, but I suspect the tip is thicker on the XM-18 and the Hissatsu is an example of what he might be looking for.
 
I believe the Cold Steel testing demonstrated that while an American Tanto will be more durable and have a wider wound channel, a double-edged spear point has deeper penetration.

If the problem is penetrating the Kevlar in the first place, I think you'd either need to sacrifice some durability for better penetration, or start working out more by stabbing a slab of wood:thumbup:.
 
Ed... since you and me are both in law enforcement i figured i would give you my opinion.... emerson all the way!!! either CQC8 or the mini CQC8 (horseman depending on needs.. i have both :) the horseman is a BEAST and by far one of my fav knives ever its in my top 5 of my entire collection and Ernest Emerson personally guarantees each knife best part is they are built using regular screws not torx they come in satin stonewashed or black in both plain and combo blades satin stonewashed plain is what i have and love plus the wave opening feature is pretty cool i highly recommend

horseman specs
MATERIALS
Handle: G-10
Blade: 154 CM
Finish: Satin or Black

SPECS horseman super CQC8
Overall Length: 8.35 in. 10.2
Blade Length: 3.54 in. 4.3 in
Blade Thickness: .125 in.
Hardness: 57-59 RC

the mini cqc 8 or horseman
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I EDC a Emerson CQC 10 nearly everyday, but I don't need to cut into or through Kevlar or any other ultra high strength woven fabric. I do work with Kevlar fabric as well as other exotics but have not used the 10 in them.

While I do not own a Strider yet I do have a question, Kaizen 1 stated that the OP should get a flat grind instead of a 3/4. Is that based strictly on OP's mention of penetrating different materials? I would think that the sabre grind would be ultimately stronger.
 
Just to add another point: I remember someone here once saying "Emersons for people, Striders for things." Pretty good summation.
 
Hammer27 said:
Just to add another point: I remember someone here once saying "Emersons for people, Striders for things." Pretty good summation.
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i agree emersons for stabbing people and striders for looking pretty whittling firewood
 
Honestly ?

My hat goes offa my bald head to anyone having to stab thru kevlar during armed combat.

Hint* Aim for the neck or armpit. ;)

Tostig
 
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With the comments here, I wonder if anyone has actually looked at stabbing wounds in humans and what implements were used to make them.
The Striders will stab.
The Emersons will stab.
ALL the ZT's will stab people just fine as well.
Take a look at some of the things which have been used to kill our fellow human beings, and you'll be cured of the "thinking" seen in this thread.
And Kevlar and Spectra don't stop stabs very well at all, so I wouldn't worry about that.
 
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