EMP protection

If they were masters of "advanced mathmatics" and all full of mystical powers and could foretell the future so well, why were they cutting out the still beating hearts of their people and rolling their heads down the pyramids to help their corn grow and why did their civilization die off?

End of the world in 2012 my butt. Makes about as much sense as trying to sell me on global warming while I am experiencing one of the coldest winters in my 47 years.
 
I think the danger comes from a emp device or solar flares, I think 2012 is a hoax. I was asking mainly about vehicle protection, so that I can get wife and kids back to house and have ways to travel to hunt/trade and also pick up my parents from there house. I could always use the kids wagon and my moutain bike but that is kinda of pushing it. Plus in the ensuing chaos I'm gonna need to have another person with me to ride shotgun or drive so I can ride shotgun.

That is what precipitated this whole discussion.
 
Why would China or Russia go the EMP route? An EMP attack would guarantee a nuclear response from us. I think the Solar Flare issue is what is most likely.
 
BlackHills said:
That may be one of the most bizarre sentences I've ever read on this forum.
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Agreed.

I wonder how many of us have the knowledge necessary to survive for a week in the winter with the resources available to paleolithic humans. I don't. And if we have so little time to kill compared to them, how do we explain fantasy football?
 
Could all this damage my spacecraft in the garage? I know the mothership will come by to rescue me in an event like this.:confused:
 
You should be fine. Just make sure your muffler bearings are tightly packed, and always be ready for liftoff.
 
come on guys lets not start spitting on each other. to get back to armageddon,bio weapons are really the thing to worry about.radiation can be netralized in most situations by wearing protective gear & cleaning equipment with simple green & water.getting off subject but estimate for weapons grade anthrax is to cross us from new york to calif. in 7 days. probable fatalitys 35 to 40 million. the hell of germs is the fact they self probrogate .
 
EMP is a very real threat, chances of it being used aren't great BUT it's a possibility. These aren't grand daddy nukes, these are nukes who's EMP circumference would cover +90% of the lower 48 states. The sheer induced voltage from the EMP blast can and will quite literally fry electronics.

This discussion isn't new, I've only got a maintenance back ground covering EMP shielding and hardening. I've had the pleasure of talking with engineers about EMP and probable voltages. I wouldn't want to be wearing braces :eek: (that's a joke, I never asked about braces)

Preparing your electronics for EMP could be viewed as a waste, depending entirely on what purpose you are saving them for. If you have batteries and a LED flashlight it's understandable. A basic computer for storing/retrieving files, a flash drive, a power converter and battery for running the computer. I see this as a great resource kept next to published or printed books.
 
Call it what you will. I don't think they spend their nights on bladeforums, or watching Youtube Videos. They spent their time trying to appease their gods by sacrifice, bloodletting, and death rituals. That doesn't strike me as an enlightened culture. So yes I stick to my previous statement.

As far as EMP goes, there are some decent youtube videos on DIY faraday cages. There still is no hardened proof though on what would actually occur if an EMP attack took place.
 
Forget an EMP threat. Also forget about a nuclear holocaust. Both of those have to be man made, and usually people are not suicidal, so it's more improbable of somebody trying it out (there will be some sort of payback, and everyone knows that works as a good deterrent).

Wanna fear something? Something that can come and go without needing to be triggered by some lunatic? With a thorough capacity of being a "LEE" (life extinction event)?
Virus.

I honestly don't fret about these things, what will be will be, it doesn't depend on me. But if there is one thing that I think could bring human race as we know it to their knees or set us back to the stone age is a viral epidemic.

Of course a comet hitting earth would be more dramatic and totally more effective, but it's been a while since we saw a comet around these parts. But I basically see virus on a daily basis, so I never can forget about their potential.
 
LUW said:
Of course a comet hitting earth would be more dramatic and totally more effective, but it's been a while since we saw a comet around these parts.
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It doesn't have to be a comet. Any decent sized object hitting the earth could have a big effect if you're near where it hits.

March 3, 2009

Unknown asteroid comes close to earth.

It could have put an end to our worries about the economy and those sharks at Sydney beaches.

At 12.40 yesterday morning, as the city slept, a previously unknown asteroid swept about 60,000 kilometres over the south-western Pacific.

In astronomical terms it was a close call. Estimated to be between 30 metres and 50 metres wide, it passed almost seven times closer than the moon.

"No object of that size, or larger, has been observed to come closer to the Earth," said Rob McNaught, of the Siding Spring Observatory, near Coonabarabran.

In 1908 an object possibly up to 50 metres across flattened some 2000 square kilometres of Siberian forest.

Mr McNaught said yesterday's asteroid was probably smaller but it could do a lot of damage to a city. If it had crashed into the ocean "I imagine it would produce a tsunami", he said.

Funded by NASA to search for asteroids bigger than one kilometre across, Mr McNaught spotted the object on Friday night. Within 24 hours astronomers had calculated it would narrowly miss the planet.

While a collision with a one-kilometre-wide asteroid could cause global devastation, Mr McNaught said one that was just 300 metres wide could throw the world into "a short-term winter".
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http://www.watoday.com.au/national/asteroid-plays-chicken-with-earth-20090304-8not.html

Note they only discovered it a few days earlier.... :eek:
 
BlackHills said:
It doesn't have to be a comet. Any decent sized object hitting the earth could have a big effect if you're near where it hits....
Note they only discovered it a few days earlier.... :eek:
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Realize also that this "near miss event" was kept from the public until it was over, a reoccuring theme of many sci-fi films. Also, if an object is large enough or of the right composition, it doesn't have to actually strike the surface to set other events in motion. And major solar events are only seen eight minutes before the effects reach earth.
 
Codger_64 said:
Realize also that this "near miss event" was kept from the public until it was over, a reoccuring theme of many sci-fi films. Also, if an object is large enough or of the right composition, it doesn't have to actually strike the surface to set other events in motion. And major solar events are only seen eight minutes before the effects reach earth.
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My money, if I had any, would be on a solar event to totally disrupt human life on earth. Animals — since they rarely use electronics — might barely notice a solar event that would be devastating to us, and could take years to recover from.

I'm not discounting other scenarios such as meteor strikes, viral infection, etc., but a solar event seems the most likely. I realize that the sun is our friend, and brings life to the earth, but it needs only one really bad day to cause us no end of harm.

For all of mankind's superiority and technical advancement, Mother Nature's a lot stronger and could send us back to the stone age without breaking a sweat.
 
Skimo said:
EMP is a very real threat, chances of it being used aren't great BUT it's a possibility. These aren't grand daddy nukes, these are nukes who's EMP circumference would cover +90% of the lower 48 states. The sheer induced voltage from the EMP blast can and will quite literally fry electronics.

This discussion isn't new, I've only got a maintenance back ground covering EMP shielding and hardening. I've had the pleasure of talking with engineers about EMP and probable voltages. I wouldn't want to be wearing braces :eek: (that's a joke, I never asked about braces)

Preparing your electronics for EMP could be viewed as a waste, depending entirely on what purpose you are saving them for. If you have batteries and a LED flashlight it's understandable. A basic computer for storing/retrieving files, a flash drive, a power converter and battery for running the computer. I see this as a great resource kept next to published or printed books.
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If you look at one of my previous posts, I note some specifics. However, the "axis of evil" just lacks the ability to put a decent sized warhead on a missile. The size they could put on a weapon (aprox. one ton in actual size) would require a level of accuracy that they are just not able to achieve with Scud based missile tech that they use. Larger Warheads are more effective at EMP, and have a greater altitude range which makes them more useful as EMP, but the usual suspects lack the ability to not only make larger warheads, but also to mount them on a ballistic missile.
 
remember all of the north american power grid runs through a couple big bottle necks. those could be hit, although I doubt it, there is a lot of radar over north america.
I think the natural solar flare event is more likley, but what happens if someone thinks that they were attacked? imagine the chaos of an electrically blacked out korean DMZ? or the boarder of india, pakistan? what scares me more than the natural event, is the possible aftermath, and we'd have no way of knowing until the fallout cloud rolled over.

as for a vehicle, diesel, mechanical injectors, and crank start. now that would be a project! on the other hand, steam would work, as well.
 
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