Escalator and Gunting, some comments on long term use

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I have a question in regards to the lock strength and blade/lock wear of the trainer(DRONES) as compared to that of the "live" GUNTINGS. From what I have read it sounds like the trainers are really well made.

Is the blade steel used in the trainer the same as that used in the "live" baldes, CPM 440V? If so is the heat treat the same? For that matter are the rest of the materials used to make the trainer the same as those used to make the "live" GUNTINGS?

I think that unless the trainer is made of the same materials as the "live" GUNTINGS a true comparison can not be made. Has anyone cycled a "live" GUNTING as much as Bram has his DRONE? I would like to know how the "live" GUNTINGS are holding up. I am personally interested in finding out if tip breakage is/will be a problem but that's a bit off topic.

By the way I really like my "live" GUNTING and will likely buy a trainer(DRONE)and a CRIMPT TOOL.


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Later, Jim

[This message has been edited by KNIFE THROWER (edited 12-07-2000).]
 
KnifeThrower,

GUNTING: steel: CPM440V-Rockwell Hardness 56-57 - 1/8th thick.

DRONE & CRMIPT: steel: GIN-1 Rockwell Hardness 58-59-1/8th thick

All three have full hard steel liners.

Drone & CRMIPT are harder because no edge is needed. No edge retention or sharpening...no thin edge, no chipping possible.


Hopefully I have answered all your questions. Glad you like your drone!!
 
KnifeThrower,

I believe I play with my live blade much more than my drone, much to Bram's distress. He is afraid I will cut myself and he prefers that we practice with our Drones (for our personal safety). I just love the live blade and the feel of it, so I practice my dexterity drills with my live blade. I also open the live blade kinetically on my own arm many, many times a day. I've been pretty hard on my live Gunting and I am still very happy with it.
 
Thank you very much Jody!
I too have been opening my GUNTING on everything I pass by. I do not have a DRONE or CRIMPT. I am planning on waiting on the CRIMPT to come out and pass on the DRONE all together. That is if I can wait that long. I have had a few close calls with my GUNTING already and feel it only a matter of time before someone gets cut. Playing with fire and getting burned all the time if you know what I mean?
Any thoughts on tip strength?
 
I recently got a Gunting and it seems to be an interesting knife. I'm not very concerned with self defense so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but the clip placement on the Gunting is crazy. The thing hangs so far out of my pocket I'm afraid it will fall. Not to mention, it could easily draw unwanted attention. I believe that the clip could be placed an inch closer to the pivot without accidently causing the blade to open and it would be much less conspicuous. Also, the clip should be black, not chrome.
 
anthony, I believe there are several reasons why the clip is placed so far. The two I know of are so that the knife is more accesible to the hand, and so that the ramp does not catch on the pocket edge. That said, I find the Skunkworks holster much more convenient, comfortable, and inconspicious. I believe in the future the clip will be black, not chrome.
 
Anthony, I felt the same as you do about clip placement. It is not great for jeans pocket carry. It is better for slash cut pockets like those in BDUs or DOCKERS. This clip placement does however make for great IWB carry because there is more of the knife above the waist line that that of a standard folder. It is therefore easily reached and deploied. The clip is than also covered by your belt, should you be wearing one, so the color doesn't matter as much.

I got my SKUNKWORKS holster today and it is really the way to go! It also covers the clip so again the clip being silver is no longer an issue. The fit, finish and function are good. Again you would need to wear a belt.

I can't get my hand in my pocket without raking my hand on the ramp anyway. So I have chosen not to carry my GUNTING in that mode in any event.

This is off topic. I hope I am not out of line.

Burke, where is Montague?

[This message has been edited by KNIFE THROWER (edited 12-08-2000).]
 
You seem to have a thing for facts Spark, twisting them for instance. You still continue to lie about my intentions, all anyone has to do is search using my name on the rekat forum to know what your talking about, and to see more of your obvious stupidity.

But you are correct there are VERY interesting times ahead.

carry on,

Driscoll
 
The clip in the Gunting was placed in the low position because we found through various prototypes that the higher placement of the clip caused the ramp to get snagged or caught, or even open the blade in your pockets. The shape of the clip itself was designed for dexterity purposes, meaning you can more easily switch from forward to reverse grip easily and fluidly. And yes, in the future the clips will be black.

The Skunkworks hosters are the way to go. They can clip right onto your belt, waistband, or even pockets. They can also be made for lefties and in holster style.
 
Anyone "in the know" wanna fill me in on the character of these "interesting times"?

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Jason aka medusaoblongata
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"I have often laughed at the weaklings who call themselves kind because they have no claws"

- Zarathustra
 
If you want to sling insults, Driscoll, you can do so elsewhere... you are wasting your time here.

As for twisting facts, I'll leave that up to you since you have the expertise in the area - your own statements don't even bear up to scrutiny when examined, and you've provided ample evidence.

I'll tell you what, though... whenever you feel that your so-called "facts" can stand up for themselves, under examination, you go right ahead and jump on in. I'll welcome it.

Spark

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Anthony Cheeseboro,

The clip is screwed right through the liner, not just the G10, if it were up any higher it would interfere with the action of the compression lock. The spacing of the clip is such that the ramp just clears ones pocket, and two thrids to three quarters actually resides inside ones pocket, it is an illusion that it will fall out. In regular jeans there isn't a chance that it will fall out, unless your wearing docker's, which have a straight pocket, then you have to place the Gunting deeper inside, at the bottom of the corner. The other reason is: instead of grabbing like a regular knife your grabbing in the tomahawk posistion, which leaves the top part of the knife exposed, just like it sits in your pocket, except out of your hand. The clip not only marks the indexing point for spinning, it also acts as the indexing point for twirling.

Spark,

The only contact you have ever had with me is over the forums, no phone calls, no personal email, so please back up what you say and link us all to the exact places your claiming. Go right ahead, you only let people see what kind of a fool you can be, showing how quick you are to open your mouth, and then shut it without a word. If you don't choose to link us, once again all anyone has to do is go straight to the Makers/Manufacturers forum, then click on Rekat, then use the search option with my name. They will then see where you stand, and who you stand for.


Driscoll
 
Well looks like there is no more love in this thread. Lets get back to square one here and remain on topic.

I don't have the time right now to monitor this forum or any forum like I should so please help me out.

Thanks.

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