ESEE Junglas - Throwing

It's your money, do what you like. However, there are pictures of ESEE knives that were thrown many times and eventually broke. This is likely one of the only things that I would, as many ESEE users would, consider abuse.

Exact quote from the ESEE warranty page:

No Questions Asked Warranty. If you break it, we will replace it. Warranty is lifetime and transferable. In other words, we warranty the knife no matter how many times it's been traded, sold or given away. Please note: ESEE Knives are not made to be thrown. They are hardened to a higher Rockwell than throwing knives and will most likely break if thrown, possibly harming the user. So, do yourself and your ESEE knife a favor and DO NOT throw it. Using any knife not meant to be thrown as a throwing knife is idiotic! We would rather idiots not buy our knives.
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i respect mike, jeff, and all of the guys at esee... they can think i'm idiotic if they want.

i'm sure the people at micheline would suggest against "burning out" because the tire can possible burst and harm someone.
...i'm still going to burn rubber.

i'm not going to send the knife to ESEE if it breaks, i've already stated that.

like i said, money comes and goes... i was just having fun, which i'll continue to do.
 
smokeylovesmolly said:
Nutnfancy - Dangerous things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dE4UgY7lgI


i'm done defending the video,
goodnight all
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No one cares whether you abuse your knives. Like a lot of people said, they're just voicing their opinions, very likely based on far more experience than yourself. Now that you've had your attention, would you like to contribute some useful videos instead? I'd be very happy to see you do something productive with a knife. =]
 
I'm not sure you understood that video Smokey... He's saying that people doing stupid things with tools are not reason enough to ban tools. However, he is NOT, in any way, shape, or form, defending the misuse of "dangerous things". In fact, he says it's quite stupid to misuse things. Idiotic, in fact. His main point is that you ought to be trained to use dangerous things so you know their proper use, and only use them thusly. He says misuse of dangerous things is why they get banned, why they are feared, and why people get hurt. If that video was directed at you, he'd be telling you to buy some throwing knives so the shards of your shattered blade don't bounce back and kill you or someone near you. Using the kind of knife you are using is putting yourself in harms way when you DON'T need to be doing so.

I did love NutnFancys video. However, before I watched it was more neutral on the topic. He has got me feeling very strongly against what you're doing now though.

Think of what the repercussions would be if you were to be killed by your blade failing when it hits the concrete instead of the stump you're aiming at. Most likely there would be increased knife laws in your area, causing throwing knives to be banned, and possibly even stricter fixed blade and folder laws.

Why not just invest in some decent throwing knives and use a tool made for what you want to do? If your intention is fun, I bet you'd have more of it if you were using the right tool.
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/BO...3-Knife-Set-13-14-inch-Overall-Leather-Sheath
 
Hey bro I like when ppl push limits, and I stopped reading after the first page and negative comments. It's your money bro, I've worked "dirty jobs" for the military and we go above and beyond what warranties cover for the simple purpose of knowing "if the shit goes down, and I need this item to do this job, can it hang?". As far as the gentlemen at esee, while they cannot condone your actions I'm sure in the back of their heads the thought "damn right you can throw that bad ass knife I made". My only concern, is skinny jeans. Seriously bro. I can condone throwing, bending, prying open spaceship cargo holds, but not tight jeans.

Ps. If someone dies while doing something others don't condone it simply falls under the law of natural selection, and if you'd like some advice on cheap super abusable throwers I use cold steal true flights and a UC m48 hawk which was. $40 and out throws all my buddies custom hawks an knives all day everyday.
 
brandonc said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbXU7NHm-ys

1:49, basically the same thing as a Junglas. Everything breaks if you use it hard. This poor guy had just bought his, and it was even being used as intended. I suppose that could be argued in favor of the negative or positive.
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Steel vs. Wood, steel should win everytime, unless it is faulty steel.[/QUOTE]


Rtak LOOKS similar to Junglas but is not. Different heattreatment makes Junglas more reliable. I've seen Rtak getting broken while Choping 2x4. No knots, no battoning.

Anyway. Throwing, aside from destroying the egde when missing, in not making the blade weak and shortening its lifespan, but simply every throw is creating a risk of breaking. Enough torque in short enough time and every piece of steel will break. Standard throwing knives simply requires too much torque to break.
Of course every throw and every hard use can increase micro fractures in steel, and depending of steel and its treatment they can become more and more dangerous.
 
Throwing a knife at this hardness is stupid and it will break in time.

Posting a vid of nutnfancy as proof of ANYTHING is stupid.

That's my opinion. Do what you like. :rolleyes:
 
I'd really like someone to point me to the research study objectively demonstrating this fragility of knives at (insert hardness value) Rc and the torque required to induce fracture. Is hardness is the only factor determining fragility of an implement? That ignores much of the heat-treatment process and what certain steels are capable of achieving in ductility. What about grain-structure, composition, martensite or austenite? What do the metalurgists have to say about this? Where does the myth meet reality?

Until someone can demonstrate otherwise with reasoning based in scientific evidence, I'm calling this a myth.

As to whether 1095 steel at specific hardness is less ductile and subject to fracture under specific stresses, perhaps someone can pull that up pretty easily?

Calling all "Mythbusters"
 
one question.... can someone please post videos of hardened knives breaking while being thrown?

i can not seem to find any.

you can say "people know better" but that doesn't show me any proof what you guys are saying.
 
chiral.grolim said:
I'd really like someone to point me to the research study objectively demonstrating this fragility of knives at (insert hardness value) Rc and the torque required to induce fracture. Is hardness is the only factor determining fragility of an implement? That ignores much of the heat-treatment process and what certain steels are capable of achieving in ductility. What about grain-structure, composition, martensite or austenite? What do the metalurgists have to say about this? Where does the myth meet reality?

Until someone can demonstrate otherwise with reasoning based in scientific evidence, I'm calling this a myth.

As to whether 1095 steel at specific hardness is less ductile and subject to fracture under specific stresses, perhaps someone can pull that up pretty easily?

Calling all "Mythbusters"
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lol same idea, you just worded it way better.
 
Wow, pretty accurate throws. Guess this is no worse that the loads of ESEE knives posted here with pristine coatings....
 
Bottom line, this seems like a "both-and" sort of thread. I see some validity on both sides of it:

* OP certainly has a right to do what he wants with his knife. It's a piece of steel. Enjoy (provided you don't abuse the obvious ESEE policy which excludes throwing, and which you said you won't abuse)!!!

* Folks certainly have a right to critique as well as agree. As soon as you post something in a public forum and invite people to comment, that is going to bring feedback from many different perspectives.


Have fun with your Junglas, I sure like mine as a chopper.
 
smokeylovesmolly said:
a guy having fun with his knife, then battening through knotted wood to show that he did not ruin the structural integrity
is one of the dumbest videos you have seen on the internet?
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Indeed it is. It seems to me like you're desperately grasping for justification, so I'm going to leave this thread and let you break your knife with improper use.
 
chiral.grolim said:
I'd really like someone to point me to the research study objectively demonstrating this fragility of knives at (insert hardness value) Rc and the torque required to induce fracture. Is hardness is the only factor determining fragility of an implement? That ignores much of the heat-treatment process and what certain steels are capable of achieving in ductility. What about grain-structure, composition, martensite or austenite? What do the metalurgists have to say about this? Where does the myth meet reality?

Until someone can demonstrate otherwise with reasoning based in scientific evidence, I'm calling this a myth.

As to whether 1095 steel at specific hardness is less ductile and subject to fracture under specific stresses, perhaps someone can pull that up pretty easily?

Calling all "Mythbusters"
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The owner of the company says it's idiotic to throw knives and says you'll break them doing so. Can you not take that at face value? :confused:
 
Hadji Flip Me Over said:
Indeed it is. It seems to me like you're desperately grasping for justification, so I'm going to leave this thread and let you break your knife with improper use.
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i hope this doesn't come off as rude, but it sounds pretty dumb to me when someone says i'm going to break my knife without showing me any proof.
especially when i'm showing you guys that it has stud up to battening after throwing. i've also said that if the amount of battening was not sufficient, i would make a longer video of battening.

you can say it takes time for it to break...
but that shows me ZERO proof of what you guys are saying.

i know i said i'd stop defending the video, but this is kind of ridiculous that most of you seems positive it's going to break
without anything to base that conclusion on.
 
smokeylovesmolly said:
i hope this doesn't come off as rude, but it sounds pretty dumb to me when someone says i'm going to break my knife without showing me any proof.
especially when i'm showing you guys that it has stud up to battening after throwing. i've also said that if the amount of battening was not sufficient, i would make a longer video of battening.

you can say it takes time for it to break...
but that shows me ZERO proof of what you guys are saying.

i know i said i'd stop defending the video, but this is kind of ridiculous that most of you seems positive it's going to break
without anything to base that conclusion on.
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I'm not going to go digging for you but search the archived esee forum. You'll find them in there. Though I'm not sure someone sent a junglas back. Maybe.
 
The pic below (stole from TexasTony). Look at the tips of two, the coating is worn off from throwing. The others with missing tips could have been thrown also.

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TheGame said:
The pic below (stole from TexasTony). Look at the tips of two, the coating is worn off from throwing. The others with missing tips could have been thrown also.

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this may be from throwing, it may not. did the guy that sent these in say they were from him throwing them?
the paint on the tip wears off from sticking it in a log when your not using it.
 
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