Even MORE guys in NYC getting their knives confiscated, arrested, etc...

Yeah, he could try and have Spydie write them a letter or something as Benchmade has done for a previous member
 
Lis, make sure your son's lawyer is aware of the recent case out of the eastern district of new york where judge Weinstein held that just because a utility knife could be flicked with some effort, it didn't mean it was a gravity knife.

You may have more of an uphill battle with a Spydie police model, but this case is probably the best thing out there in terms of legal authority challenging other broader interpretations of the statute.
 
Thank you all for posting the info here in this thread. It seems as though the decline of quality police force is a real problem. This relates to another conversation I was having about the frequent use of tasers that's been going on. One poster in another forum stated that it was probably because the officers aren't as well trained and compensate by using a taser.
 
I believe in following the law even if I disagree with it. If I don't like a law, I can try to get it changed because I live in democracy. Trashing the police doesn't do anybody any good.:)
 
What some people seem to forget is that being a Police Officer is a JOB. Like you yourself have no doubt experienced in your work history, some co-workers suck, are lazy, shifty, criminal etc. Just because one is a Police Officer does not always mean hes a good guy. If you have a close friend who is a cop, just ask them if they think all of they're coworkers are great people. I've been associated with Police in the past, and some are really great people who are really out for the public good, but, some were adult school yard bullies who found a job they could continue this practice in. I've seen knives confiscated in a pat down that just went in the officers pocket.
Not saying this is the case, but it does happen.
 
Hey, it's a NYC thing...

We're on notice! When in NYC, be sure the knife you have with you does not open with a "flick". Or don't bother going there.

It's like going on an airplane, or into a courthouse.

NYC has a lot of annoying, petty, ridiculous laws.
Double park? $165.00!

It's also, frankly, become less knife friendly since Giuliani rode into town and began his "cleanup", and since 9/11 particularly. The place is crawling with cops, FBI, ATF, all kinds of police personnel from all kinds of jurisdictions. NYPD, Port Authority PD, Postal Police...

It's its own weird place, in many, many ways. Not just with knives.

When visiting the place, be sure your knife is completely concealed (including the clip, if any) and be sure it can't be considered a gravity knife. It's annoying, but it's a simple thing.


I personally avoid the place at every opportunity.
 
Just because a knife can be flicked open with some effort does not make it a gravity knife. If you look at what the term meant when the laws were written, as well as the AKTI definitions, you will see that this "law" is being mis-used in order to target law-abiding citizens. Why, you ask? Because it's a whole lot easier and safer than accosting actual criminals. This is a revenue driven practice, and so far, very few people have hired good enough lawyers to prove that this is a corrupt police practice, and completely inconsistent with the intent of that law.
 
section 10-133 (c) of the Administrative Code

It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually using such knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of this section.



section 10-133 (e) of the Administrative Code

Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine and imprisonment.
 
GarageBoy, it goes back to the profile one presents when out in public. Think of protective coloration. Blend in. Dress neatly. Be inconspicuous. Behave in such a way as to not draw attention to yourself. Keep your damn knife in your pocket, not clipped onto the edge of it or the waist of your pants! Advertise your hardware and you're likely to find a "buyer."
 
kiehlroy said:
I made a post awhile back in June where I had been stopped and questioned for my pocket clip. I would like to mention that though while aggressive, those 4 cops were professional. They looked and acted like cops. I was just pissed about the situation. Now that I'm aware of that law I have kept my knives(all legal) in my pocket(except when at work) and have kept a lookout for patrols. What I have noticed since I have been forced to feel like a criminal is those cops that stopped me were most rare. Almost half of all the rookie cops(the future NYPD) I have observed here are either sloppily dressed, have an unprofessional bearing, or just have a bad demeanor in general. I have never seen cops wearing cornrolls on their head till I came here. Cornroll mulletts on top of that, while in uniform!
I've seen cops be-bopping down the sidewalk like their still in high school whistling at the chickies or chatting with their babies momma on the cellphone.
I've had foot patrol guys say something to me and I didn't understand a word out of their mouths. Whatever country they were from they need to speak english clearly if I am to be expected to comply. I don't want to get shot because some fumble-mouthed slob told me to stop or whatever and I said "Wa?". I guess this is the first wave of lower standard recruits the city felt we needed:

http://www.nystpba.org/pages/public/showPubDocDetails.asp?news_id=1698

Granted I've encountered the "Old guard" NYPD as well and they are professional, look and act like PO's but I think they are dwindling. They are being replaced by individuals whom I don't feel comfortable having firearms and the ordained authority to tell me what to do.

I feel bad for the real cops here having to deal with these rookies and for the citizens who will have to deal with them soon.

I have the utmost respect for LEO's I have a few in my family and I almost enlisted. I am prior service(Navy) and maybe I'm just being too critical. I just think NYC has dropped the ball. I'm looking forward to moving back to the civilized world and leaving this 3rd world country behind.
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... and while the city has no money to increase the starting salary for NYPD officers, Bloomberg spend millions on attorneys who prosecute civil lawsuits against out-of-state gun stores. NY is doomed to be the forgotten stepping stone of Bloomberg and Spitzer as they plot for a presidential election bid in 2012.
 
never.to.sharp said:
This is a circular argument, although I know by "us", you mean "the good guys." LEO's [probably] have a difficult time distinguishing between good guys and bad guys. Too bad the bad guys don't wear striped shirts and masks anymore.

Tough laws mean less weapons on the street. Fewer weapons mean safer streets(I know, that depends on who you ask). Safer streets lead to relaxed laws. You can see where this is going.

If only we could all live in a small community, where everyone knows everyone, and you can't get away with being a thug.
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That is 100% unadulterated BS! Tough laws dont do a thing except DISARM LAWFUL owners! I cant stand it when people spew this unintelligent rhetoric. Aside from that part, your post is pretty accurate.
 
I was in NYC in September, and went to Battery Park to go out to Liberty and Ellis Islands. The security was positively oppressive. I stashed my lg Sebbie under some greenery and retrieved it later. Oddly enough, my Boker Subcom and Leatherman Wave got through and were not confiscated(I did lose a Lonewolf Paul, though). Just shows to go ya that LEOs aren't all that well-trained in recognition sometimes. Now, when in urban areas, I keep my hardware out of sight, but always make sure it's legal.
 
Do they assume that every clip is attached to a knife?
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mp510 said:
http://spyderco.com/forums/showpost.php?p=372133&postcount=22

It sounds like the Suffolk County Officer was not only a cop- but an ESU (I assume Suffolk ESU is a SWAT-like unit like NYCPD ESU is) cop at that.

I'm sort of leary of some of the stuff posted over there- cops riding around in cabs looking for suspects just sounds off. And the Suffolk County LEO incident, that sounds suspect too. I've heard of plenty of out-of state LEOs that recieved very fraternal treatment from NYPD officers while packing under HR258/Law Enforcement Officer Protection and Safety Act.
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hi there, hr218 actually. and nypd does indeed treat officers from other states very well.

Lis said:
I'm in Colorado and just got call from Dean's List, actor son. Arrested when undercover cops saw his Spyderco Police Stainless Steel ~ C07 clip on his pocket. Cops said knife was a "gravity knife" and booked him. Is it a "gravity knife." He's bummed and so am I. Does Spyderco object to this classification of one of its most popular knives? Any advise? Lis
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the definition for gravity knife may differ slightly from state to state, but it is normally considered a knife that can be easily flicked open with wrist or thumb action or by gravity, BUT a knife with a detente that biases the blade toward the closed position is likely not a gravity knife.

i believe all spyderco knives have a similar detente or mechanism which biases the blade closed.
 
reconseed said:
That is 100% unadulterated BS! Tough laws dont do a thing except DISARM LAWFUL owners! I cant stand it when people spew this unintelligent rhetoric. Aside from that part, your post is pretty accurate.
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less is less, regardless of who has been disarmed.
 
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