Ever sell a Spydie to someone only to fee it show up on eBay a few days later?

This is a knife community that is meant to help out others and enjoy the hobby. When you are in the business of buying and flipping those knives for profit, especially when there are others who honesty just want to buy and enjoy those knives but can't because they are snatched up fast by the flipper, that's just wrong and degrading to the community. I don't think anyone is going to get rich by doing so but it's the principle of the act. Just like stealing something from a store no matter it's value is still stealing. I also agree that once a deal is done that it's your knife to do with what you please. However there is a big difference between buying and selling because it's not your style, but it's another thing to be buying to flip the knives for profit. I'm not saying that the person you are talking about is doing one or the other,I'm just merely saying my opinion on the matter

There is someone on here that a lot of us know that is known for buying and flipping for profit. I would be lying if I said it didn't bother me. He has bought a few knives I wanted on here and had them up a ebay soon after at double the price.

Also if you haven't had time to take your own pictures of the knife how have you had enough time to decide you don't like nor want said knife? No its not artwork but you should still take your own pictures.
 
WOW! LOL I certainly wasn't trying to start any controversy! Here I was browsing the bay, looking at the Spydies that were just posted and ... "Wow, that Leafstorm box is messed up in just the same way as mine was. Hey wait a minute.... That's the inside of my light box!" I was just sorta floored as I hadn't even gotten any feedback positive OR negative. It's all good. I don't really mind somebody using the pics I took as long as they don't use them to misrepresent the condition of an item.

It just surprised the heck out of me to see my own pictures up on the bay before I had even gotten feedback on selling the item.

And honestly, I don't blame anybody for passing on a Leafstorm. They look AWESOME, but probably have the worst ergos (at least to me) of any Spydie that I've ever had.
 
I don't care too much if someone buys a knife and then resells for a profit (or a loss), but don't use another person's photos without permission. You do not own every photo ever taken of a knife just because you buy the knife. That's just a ridiculous concept. You're buying the personal property, not the intellectual property.
 
Thechukler said:
My mistake. "Flip" implies I buy and sell for the sole purpose of gaining a profit. Thats not the case. I buy them to posses them, use them, handle them, play with them etc....and sell them to purchase new pieces. I hold a relatively small number of knives at any one time....I just don't see the sense in having 100+ knives at once. Its not for me.

However, for the sake of argument...lets say I did just buy and sell for the sole purpose of making a profit here and there. Who cares? Who does this hurt? Who loses in this situation? I guess I am just a little confused as to why anyone is stressing this.
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You have been here for, what, 3 months - so I would suggest try and see why this thread was started about you. This is a forum of knife enthusiasts, and people who have this hobby. Displaying courtesy to seek permission would have done you much much good than arguing about profit margins. You were honest in depicting the exact condition of the knife on ebay probably, but definitely less than honest while sneaking away with the photos that do not belong to you. As Rev said earlier, "poor form" is the best description.

I would say browse around the forums, see how transactions are conducted and the way members' carry themselves before riding your high horse. Good luck, and welcome to a slightly different forums than you may encounter on the world wide web.
 
KrisOK said:
And honestly, I don't blame anybody for passing on a Leafstorm. They look AWESOME, but probably have the worst ergos (at least to me) of any Spydie that I've ever had.
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There's one on eBay now for a buy it now price of, US $2,233.57! So, maybe we are missing something? :D
 
Thechukler bought the knife from the seller for what the seller was willing to accept for it. He/She can do whatever they wish with the knife end of story, get over it people. Not sure why anyone feels a favor is being done by selling someone a knife. You're selling it cause you do not want it, not to be a hero... my word. I see a few people who have responded to this thread who do a lot of knife flipping themselves.

As far as the picture goes, so what.... it's a public photo and is not copyrighted.
 
I have had forum members on this site use my pictures on eBay multiple times, I just went through this with a guy from France that used pictures of a large orange griptilian that I sold on BF's

I contacted eBay & they would not do anything about it, so I sent him an email and told what I thought of him & to take his own freakin pictures

Basically once there on the WEB they belong to who ever wants to use them, not worth losing any sleep over
 
Sometimes it is doing somebody a favor by selling them a certain, hard to find desirable knife at a price less than they go for. In this case the seller admits he didn't like the knife at all. So, no favor was done because it wasn't something that it pained him to release. I would never use someone else's pictures though, unless I asked them and I probably wouldn't even do that because I can take my own.
 
People trade/sell knives on ebay all the time. I'm really confused as to where this indignation is coming from - did you sell the guy the knife or not???

It's like a Walmart employee coming to your house after you bought a toaster and complaining that you aren't using it how he thinks you should use it. Absolutely ridiculous.

furthermore... why are you trying to shame people on a public forum? Everyone here, I'd wager a guess, has bought and sold something on ebay at one point. There's nothing wrong with flipping knives. There *is* something wrong with trying to publically shame someone for a completely irrational and petty reason though.
 
Thechukler said:
I didn't have any pics on me when I was posting items earlier, so I used those that sold me, until I could take my own better pics. Pics of the ACTUAL item are truthful and more accurate than stock photos pulled elsewhere. "Tacky" lol, thats just a silly thing to say. Its honest if you ask me. Were those photos being sold elsewhere? The knife is now mine and thus so are public pictures of said knife, no? This isnt fine art we're talking about.
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Its a common courtesy to get permission before you post anothers pictures. Better to use your own, but if you must use anothers all you had to do was shoot him an email/PM and ask. (edit to add-I would tell you its OK myself.)
I realize you didn't know this, and we are only trying to help.

Of course there's nothing wrong with selling the knife, but I would like to know if you've learned anything from this.
Would you ask for permission to use others pictures if an occasion like this ever arose again ?
 
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Thechukler said:
Its a good point in regards to it being in the same condition or not. But in that respect... the buyer would have to trust my feedback. (which although irrelevant to this convo...is impeccable)

I truthfully can't believe that this is even an issue. Life is way too short to stress something so utterly insignificant.
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You might want to acquaint yourself with copyright laws. When someone takes a picture even if he/she posts it on the internet, it acquires an immediate/assumed copyright as soon as the image is created. Your use of those pics was a clear violation of Kris' copyright - IMHO.

Flipping the knife is a non-issue IMHO. But use of the pics certainly is. And would it have hurt to use common courtesy to ask Kris for his permission? I bet he would have said sure.

knifehunt said:
...As far as the picture goes, so what.... it's a public photo and is not copyrighted.
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RICKSTER said:
...Basically once there on the WEB they belong to who ever wants to use them, not worth losing any sleep over
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Sorry, that isn't correct. Common misunderstanding though. Source of copyright law

Copyright attaches as soon as the original work is created, and applies to both published and unpublished works. As soon as you type words, click the shutter on your camera (or, for many of you, hit the home button on your iPhone), apply paint to canvas or paper or lay down tracks for your next hit, you’ve got a copyright (with some exceptions)...Copyright is an automatic right and does not require the author to file special paperwork...When it comes to photos, when in doubt, assume it’s subject to copyright and don’t use it without the appropriate permission. What it comes down to is that if you need to use another person’s image, make sure it fits clearly into one of the protected purposes or seek legal counsel if there is a significant investment of money or time in your project.
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Copyright Fair Use and How it Works for Online Images

Most owners don't care if you use their online imagery for personal use. It is also not common for someone to sue over such. But when you use someone else's work for personal gain (which the ebay reseller did) that is tantamount to theft. You might not like it, but that is the law. At the very least, one should give credit to the creator of the work by citing the source of the images.
 
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I rarely comment in this section, but SaintlyBrees is spot on here and I would hope that TheChuckler takes time to read it. No need to fret over flipping knives. Once I sell a knife, it's gone. What the buyer does with it is of no concern to me. The pics on the other hand are another matter. I make a point of telling the buyer of any knife I sell that they may download and keep any pictures I have placed in the listing. If I didn't specifically tell that to the buyer, I would have major problems with seeing them used in a future sales listing. While I am hardly a professional photographer, I take great pride (and considerable time) in trying to take the best possible pictures of any knife I am going to sell so that there are no surprises for the buyer. Using those pictures, without my consent, would be WRONG!
 
knifehunt said:
Thechukler bought the knife from the seller for what the seller was willing to accept for it. He/She can do whatever they wish with the knife end of story, get over it people. Not sure why anyone feels a favor is being done by selling someone a knife. You're selling it cause you do not want it, not to be a hero... my word. I see a few people who have responded to this thread who do a lot of knife flipping themselves.

As far as the picture goes, so what.... it's a public photo and is not copyrighted.
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If you keep on posting common sense like this, you will start confusing people.:thumbup::thumbup:

Paul
 
I feel bad for my part in keeping this thread going last night. All the good points have been made:
- catch and release, even on the bay, is ok
- if you're main interest in the exchange is to flip for profit, consider getting a dealer membership or risk alienating other enthusiasts
- use your own pictures when listing; at the very least ask permission to use others

I feel everything else to add from here on out is just brow-beating and adds no value. Perhaps the thread should be locked before it's given the chance to turn for the worse.
 
coiledwire said:
I feel bad for my part in keeping this thread going last night. All the good points have been made:
- catch and release, even on the bay, is ok
- if you're main interest in the exchange is to flip for profit, consider getting a dealer membership or risk alienating other enthusiasts
- use your own pictures when listing; at the very least ask permission to use others

I feel everything else to add from here on out is just brow-beating and adds no value. Perhaps the thread should be locked before it's given the chance to turn for the worse.
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Perfect post, excellent summary. :)
 
knifehunt said:
Thechukler bought the knife from the seller for what the seller was willing to accept for it. He/She can do whatever they wish with the knife end of story, get over it people. Not sure why anyone feels a favor is being done by selling someone a knife. You're selling it cause you do not want it, not to be a hero... my word. I see a few people who have responded to this thread who do a lot of knife flipping themselves.

As far as the picture goes, so what.... it's a public photo and is not copyrighted.
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As far as being common sense, I don't think this qualifies. This is completely incorrect information and a problem when we try and pass opinion off as fact. Other people see this and start parroting it all over.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork

Read the 4th and 5th paragraphs.
 
Rev, thanks for the link. I did not know this, but it's there in black and white. As far as the rest of his post, I still tend to agree. Once ownership is transferred it's the new owner's right to do whatever he/she likes with the item. If you can find a link to refute that I will read it with gusto and stand corrected.

Paul
 
While technically correct, are you really going to hire lawyers, pay legal fees, and register a picture of a knife you took with the copyright office so you can try to sue some random eBay user?

You'd be in court for years, hashing it out and probably go through the cost of the knife several times over.
 
darkdomino said:
While technically correct, are you really going to hire lawyers, pay legal fees, and register a picture of a knife you took with the copyright office so you can try to sue some random eBay user?

You'd be in court for years, hashing it out and probably go through the cost of the knife several times over.
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Nope, I just made it a point to correct misinformation and provide correct information. Discussions always go smoother with the right data being discussed. ;). The simple solution is to use a watermark if it matters to people..
 
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