Every time I hear a framelock isn't that strong..

[Glenn056]

Yeah, the one I watched of a Strider SMF being put through the grinder was fun (and painful!) to watch; I really hate seeing nice things deliberately abused. And seeing a $500 knife subjected to his testing was cringe-worthy.

Well a Strider SMF is marketed as a harduse folder yes? He's just putting that claim to the test, and it did pretty well. The knives are from his own pocket or donors from people who want see a particular knife go through his standard tests.

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[berzerker]

Any tool is made for a purpose. Mis-use the tool at your peril.

Taking the assumption that any locking device is designed to reduce the danger of accidental closure (even a tradition friction lock, where the handle deforms inward when squeezed) under what might be considered normal use, you take on additional design requirements when your idea of normal use is aimed at making the lock fail regardless. If that's the point of the exercise, go with finite element analysis at all points of strain...pivot, lockbar, cutout, backspacers, lockbar/blade interface, etc. Then, design a knife around those specs.

As was previously mentioned, if you want a lock that won't ever fail, then go fixed-blade and worry about the blade itself snapping.

 

[Cobalt]

I love frame locks more than any other lock. And the pressure from my hand definitely secures the lock even more than normal.

 

[Glenn056]

I love frame locks more than any other lock. And the pressure from my hand definitely secures the lock even more than normal.

It absolutely does! But IF there was sufficient shock the hand grip may not prevent the lockbar from pushing your very fingers away, just saying.

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[SCWillson]

Well a Strider SMF is marketed as a harduse folder yes? He's just putting that claim to the test, and it did pretty well. The knives are from his own pocket or donors from people who want see a particular knife go through his standard tests.

I confess I was pretty impressed with the durability of the SMF - enough so that I priced one and realized that short of winning the lottery, it's pretty much beyond my knife budget. Yes, I could buy one, but I'm very happy with my Spiderco Dice and while I'm sure I'd like the SMF, I'm not sure I'd like it $300 more. Perhaps if I spent more time in the wilderness, I'd think differently. But my knee and back are too far gone to make hiking or even roughing it camping pretty much a non-starter.

And I'm putting my money where my mouth is with regards to locks, because I'm having a custom fixed blade made by Alan Davis. Should be done early next year.

 

[Glenn056]

I confess I was pretty impressed with the durability of the SMF - enough so that I priced one and realized that short of winning the lottery, it's pretty much beyond my knife budget. Yes, I could buy one, but I'm very happy with my Spiderco Dice and while I'm sure I'd like the SMF, I'm not sure I'd like it $300 more. Perhaps if I spent more time in the wilderness, I'd think differently. But my knee and back are too far gone to make hiking or even roughing it camping pretty much a non-starter.

And I'm putting my money where my mouth is with regards to locks, because I'm having a custom fixed blade made by Alan Davis. Should be done early next year.

Agreed, many people think that the linerless G10 construction of a Strider is "weak" but I guess that video proved them otherwise. And yes, I think in terms of materials they are sadly overpriced.

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[SCWillson]

Agreed, many people think that the linerless G10 construction of a Strider is "weak" but I guess that video proved them otherwise. And yes, I think in terms of materials they are sadly overpriced.

I'm a strong believer in the virtues of a free market, so if Strider can sell their knives at those price points then more power to 'em. They just won't be selling them to me.

 

[Cobalt]

It absolutely does! But IF there was sufficient shock the hand grip may not prevent the lockbar from pushing your very fingers away, just saying.

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I think me being a lefty amplifies that more

 

[BTGuy]

no one would deliberately break or deform,or probably even have the ability to, a framelock in daily cutting tasks. But some people including me find it interesting in researching about the limits to strengths of locks. Its not needed, sure, but i think its interesting ,similar to learning how fast some cars can go, even though on public roads one usually would not go over the limit, or maybe like how vehicles undergo crash test when the majority of them would never have to undergo such a task in real life.

That was my purpose in watching these types of videos. I wanted to get a general idea of the abuse certain knives could be put through before they stopped functioning properly. Partly info-tainment, partly knowing that if a knife can go through that kind of use the "hard use" I'd put it through should not ever be an issue.

 

[stonproject]

Balisong are still stronger

 

[colubrid]

believe it or not the Emerson knives slip the most . Kinda contradictory since they market them as self defense tactical blades.

 

[palonej]

believe it or not the Emerson knives slip the most . Kinda contradictory since they market them as self defense tactical blades.

Has this been proven?? Don't have any and don't see any in my future, not crazy bout the designs......just curious.
Joe

 

[colubrid]

Has this been proven?? Don't have any and don't see any in my future, not crazy bout the designs......just curious.
Joe

Joel,
I don't know what you mean about proven but I used to be a big fan and owned at least over 30 of them over the years. I bought into the hype. I still own a few and carry them for the wave feature when I travel.

 

[jbmonkey]

a well made liner lock is just as strong as a frame lock. tri-ad beats them both by 100s of ftlbs. now im gonna sit back and enjoy the rebuttals from the framies.......

 

[SCWillson]

a well made liner lock is just as strong as a frame lock. tri-ad beats them both by 100s of ftlbs. now im gonna sit back and enjoy the rebuttals from the framies.......

Heh.

I try really hard not to apply hundreds of foot-pounds to my blades, so to me the debate about lock types is purely academic. As long as they can handle what I do with them, who cares what the lock is?

 

[Glenn056]

believe it or not the Emerson knives slip the most . Kinda contradictory since they market them as self defense tactical blades.

True. I just don't get it when they keep marketing their fokders as the "best hard use knives in the world" when they are just obviously not. I mean i like Emerson designs and would love to own a few one day but seeing especially their latest folding karambit, with them saying that it's the strongest most hard use folding karambit out their is just not true.

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[Hickory n steel]

For menial day to day cutting tasks, how many of us actually need a locking blade ?
The secure feeling is definitely nice, but it's not something that I actually need.

 

[Glenn056]

For menial day to day cutting tasks, how many of us actually need a locking blade ?
The secure feeling is definitely nice, but it's not something that I actually need.

Yes, but that argument can be applied for EDC knives. Who really needs more than 3-4? You don't need several or even dozens. But you would want to, its nice to own as many you can😉

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[Hickory n steel]

Yes, but that argument can be applied for EDC knives. Who really needs more than 3-4? You don't need several or even dozens. But you would want to, its nice to own as many you can😉

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What I'm getting as is that people are always arguing about the strength of different lock types when they may not even need a locking blade so it shouldn't matter.
I never rely on a knifes lock if it has one and don't use my knives for anything more than normal cutting , so I will never be cut as the result of a failing lock.
If you like the different types of knife locks that's fine, but I see no point in people arguing over their strength if they have no real need for said strength.

 

[SCWillson]

Yes, but that argument can be applied for EDC knives. Who really needs more than 3-4? You don't need several or even dozens. But you would want to, its nice to own as many you can😉

For me it's never been about any "need" for multiple EDC knives, it's been a quest for my idea of EDC perfection. I've tried numerous traditionals, a plethora of lockbacks and linerlocks, a half dozen neck knives, and am currently rockin' my first framelock as EDC. And because none of them were/are perfect, I've got a custom fixed blade on order, which I sincerely hope will be perfect.

I would love for my forthcoming custom to be the last knife I'll ever buy, but based on my experience I'm pretty sure it won't be. For me, the only constants for an EDC have been sub-3" blade and full flat ground. Everything else has been mutable. Somewhere down the line I'll decide I really wanted a longer blade, or different handle material, or better steel, or a different blade shape, or something, and my quest will continue.

Oh, the humanity!