Every time I hear a framelock isn't that strong..

berzerker said:
Any tool is made for a purpose. Mis-use the tool at your peril.

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As was previously mentioned, if you want a lock that won't ever fail, then go fixed-blade and worry about the blade itself snapping.
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Or go Triad and only worry about the blade snapping. :)
 
Never do something with a locking knife that you wouldn't do with a non-locking knife, and it won't bite you.

Depend on a lock, and get cut.
People who think their favorite lock can't fail are candidates for missing fingers.

Locks are just there to safely prevent accidental closing from an inadvertent slip, not to pretend that they are a fixed blade knife.

IMHO.
 
twl said:
Never do something with a locking knife that you wouldn't do with a non-locking knife, and it won't bite you.

Depend on a lock, and get cut.
People who think their favorite lock can't fail are candidates for missing fingers.

Locks are just there to safely prevent accidental closing from an inadvertent slip, not to pretend that they are a fixed blade knife.

IMHO.
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Seriously doubt the triad can fail via human hands though

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some people need to consider a fixed blade for heavy tasks or just use a more hard use lock on a folder.

franky blades on instagram just put a strider s30v blade through some hard use testing, was awesome, he sharpened it back up and all was good.
 
Glenn056 said:
Seriously doubt the triad can fail via human hands though

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Only way the Triad goes south is if it was tampered with or mis-assembled at the factory. Both scenarios are almost non-existent.

The Big T.

One lock to rule them all
 
twl said:
Never do something with a locking knife that you wouldn't do with a non-locking knife, and it won't bite you.

Depend on a lock, and get cut.
People who think their favorite lock can't fail are candidates for missing fingers.

Locks are just there to safely prevent accidental closing from an inadvertent slip, not to pretend that they are a fixed blade knife.

IMHO.
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Somehow, I don't see a lot of people claiming missing fingers from lock failure. There are some, of course but I really wonder what percentage of stupid users of locking folders they are.
 
twl said:
Never do something with a locking knife that you wouldn't do with a non-locking knife, and it won't bite you.

Depend on a lock, and get cut.
People who think their favorite lock can't fail are candidates for missing fingers.

Locks are just there to safely prevent accidental closing from an inadvertent slip, not to pretend that they are a fixed blade knife.

IMHO.
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Tri-ad lock users don't have to care about things like this, use the knife however you want, just be careful of the blade snapping. Your post applys to frame and liner lock users.
 
Vicarious Reality said:
Even if framelocks were infinitely strong, they would still be bad lock designs.
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Seriously? I would think that if they were infinitely strong, that would pretty much make them a perfect lock design.

I get that there are knife aficionados that prefer certain locking methods to the exclusion of all others, but that seems a bit limiting and perhaps even irrational.
 
marcinek said:
No. There is more to a lock then just strength. There is ease of use, longevity, etc.
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Yes, of course. But, I think if you look at a framelock with a steel lock bar insert lasts a long time, easy to use one handed with or without gloves(depending on the frame lock but in my mind I'm thinking of the zt 0560). So, if they were infinitely strong with those other factors I would think they would be an extremely favorable locking system. I think SCWilson was surprised with the attributes of a framelock and (theoretical) infinite strength that Vicarious Reality could claim that framelocks would still suck... seems like an extreme statement to me.
 
Gideons said:
Yes, of course. But, I think if you look at a framelock with a steel lock bar insert lasts a long time, easy to use one handed with or without gloves(depending on the frame lock but in my mind I'm thinking of the zt 0560). So, if they were infinitely strong with those other factors I would think they would be an extremely favorable locking system. I think SCWilson was surprised with the attributes of a framelock and (theoretical) infinite strength that Vicarious Reality could claim that framelocks would still suck... seems like an extreme statement to me.
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And that is exactly the opposite of his claim (unless he was using sarcasm to make the opposite point). He claimed

SCWillson said:
Seriously? I would think that if they were infinitely strong, that would pretty much make them a perfect lock design.

I get that there are knife aficionados that prefer certain locking methods to the exclusion of all others, but that seems a bit limiting and perhaps even irrational.
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Clearly if they were infinitely strong that wouldn't make them perfect...people still wouldn't like them for many reasons.

Even with your added assumptions people may not find them perfect or even like them. Honestly...I wouldn't. Just don't like my thumb being in the path of a closing blade when I unlock it. Not perfect to me at all. Doesn't matter how strong it is. Even infinitely strong.
 
Even with a Triad lock, you may not have any worries in the locked position, but the potential danger is in closing it. IMO, any Triad lock is a two-hand closer. Last summer, I lost 4 months of work due to a Triad locking knife closing on my right index finger (my job requires extensive use of my hands). I needed a good amount of therapy, and still must do finger exercises for it. It was user error to be sure, BUT, as many people do, when the accident happened, I was stupidly attempting to one-hand close the knife. Bad idea. Its guillotine-like closing action makes it far more potentially dangerous during closing than, say, my CRK Insingo, which does not fall shut or pull shut, as it has no backspring, let alone a super-strong one like the Triad lock's.

My point being that folding knife lock safety is not just about when it's open and locked, but during the closing phase as well.

Jim
 
James Y said:
My point being that folding knife lock safety is not just about when it's open and locked, but during the closing phase as well.

Jim
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Elegantly put. Exactly what I was trying, clumsily, to say in my previous post. Strength is not the only thing that determines how "good" a locking system is.

Heck, if I want a really strong lock, I can just used a fixed blade. And I do. Its the other stuff, for me, that determines what lock type I prefer.
 
One can improve the strength of Liner and Framelocks, but one has to induce bladeplay. There was a maker ,CKC knives, from New Zealand that did extensive testing on this based on his Victorinox one hand trekker not failing a simple test that a well marketed 'hard use knife' failed. He then developed his own framelocks based on that. That knife made its way to Bob Terzuola and even he was impressed but as he stated, unfortunately the market demands no bladeplay.

I have seen all locks fail on this forum over the years, most involved user error.
 
marthinus said:
One can improve the strength of Liner and Framelocks, but one has to induce bladeplay. There was a maker ,CKC knives, from New Zealand that did extensive testing on this based on his Victorinox one hand trekker not failing a simple test that a well marketed 'hard use knife' failed. He then developed his own framelocks based on that. That knife made its way to Bob Terzuola and even he was impressed but as he stated, unfortunately the market demands no bladeplay.

I have seen all locks fail on this forum over the years, most involved user error.
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Most airbag deployments are caused by user error too. I guess the airbags fail some of the time too.
 
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