EverydayCommentary take on Survive

"The bladeforums survive! manufactures forum is mostly a one sided Jonestown full of fanboys and shills for Survive! It's a place where sk knife nerds get their Koolaid fix and gather for worship. You will not find a "discussion" there. You will only find elitist knife snobs slamming other "inferior" knives like Bark River while worshiping survive and attacking anyone with a different opinion. You will not find a "discussion", rather the total distortion of reality, attacks, deflections, and strawman arguments. If you want a better idea of the REAL discussion going round the campfire from SK customers, you can go right to the source at thier facebook and see what the response has been. https://www.facebook.com/SurviveKnives/"

At least he said mostly... seems like there's good an bad comments here from the research I had done prior to my purchase this past Monday. I've dealt with the same thing from companies when I was a fan of Triple Aught Design. The product is sound, but the production numbers WERE non-existent. This changed when the founder left and stock became more available and the designs—arguably better. But people complained all the time about their Friday "drops," and limited stock numbers. Bags were going on eBay fro twice the manu. price or more.
 
Clip. said:
Hold up. I believe what Chiral meant when he stated "OP of this thread = former owner of BF" he was referencing the link that followed, titled "New about Black Jack knives I could not talk about til now", not this thread.
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Yes, my apologies for any confusion that may have caused, I did not intend to imply that the OP of this thread was a former owner of BF, rather the OP of the linked thread. Thank you, Clip.


For added clarification, permit me to state that I understand that comparing S!K to Randall or BRKT is fraught with holes. S!K shares similarities with each but is identical to neither, but the most important difference in my point of view is AGE and CAPACITY - S!K is much MUCH younger than even BRKT, and many times smaller than both BRKT and Randall. At the same time, S!K is not a one/two-man operation or producing 1 to 10 knives at a time (like Nathan Carothers, for instance) which has certain advantages in terms of financing and production-to-delivery time-lines. Nor is S!K a busse company which mainly produces limited runs (for their own reasons).


To assert that S!K is deliberately manufacturing scarcity to drive demand is dishonest, libel.
To assert that S!K is peddling "vapor-ware" is dishonest, libel.
To assert that S!K is running a scheme to bilk consumers is dishonest, libel.
To assert that the only way to acquire a knife directly from S!K is via full-payment pre-order with month/year-long waits is also simply not true.

Those who do any of the above owe S!K an apology and retraction. None of those assertions are based in fact.

S!K is overly optimistic with delivery estimates and has a history of production delays - this is true and seems to be the crux of complaints. It's also not unusual.
S!K offers a pre-payment method for reserving a knife that is not yet produced (and may be months to years away) - this is also true, and while not so very common it is far from unheard of, and was also DEMANDED by customers wanting to guarantee themselves a knife. But no one is required to enter into such an agreement. If you paid and feel that the wait has been too long, you call/e-mail and cancel your order and receive your refund. The End.

If this thread is about what S!K should do/change to be the company that one consumer or another wants them to be, then I think it would be appropriate to start with the most obvious issue: where's the GSO-20 ?

My apologies for the long posts.
 
I do appreciate the attempts to aggregate the relevant facts about Survive, but I maintain that if you don't like their business model then simply don't give them your money.
If you've placed an order and regret it then talk to Survive and they'll probably work something out.
They might not let you place an order in the future, but they'll probably solve your immediate problem.
If you just want to vent your personal frustrations then I figure that is exactly why Facebook exists.
If you want to discuss knives then take a deep breath, please GO READ the previous posts here on BF, and then by all means join the DISCUSSION.
I simply do not have any patience with internet driven instant gratification seeking self important infantile nonsense.
From my perspective Survive doesn't have any trouble selling their product so they can simply ignore this sort of behavior.
Sadly, no amount of calm rational discussion is going to prevent the internet from doing what it does best.
Edit: To celebrate this thread I just placed an order for another Survive! knife, and I'll wait very patiently for them to fill the order, no matter how long it takes. :)
 
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Fancier said:
I simply do not have any patience with internet driven instant gratification seeking self important infantile nonsense.
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Same here. Not wasting time and energy on any more folks that refuse to do their own homework.
 
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chiral.grolim said:
To assert that S!K is deliberately manufacturing scarcity to drive demand is dishonest, libel.
To assert that S!K is peddling "vapor-ware" is dishonest, libel.
To assert that S!K is running a scheme to bilk consumers is dishonest, libel.
To assert that the only way to acquire a knife directly from S!K is via full-payment pre-order with month/year-long waits is also simply not true.

Those who do any of the above owe S!K an apology and retraction. None of those assertions are based in fact.
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Well put.
 
Libel assertions aside, they stole their name from reality TV shows, and spit on the real men who have used a knife to survive. That damn overpriced forged on a hot plate crap pisses me of. What have the sycophant tadpoles fallen for?
 
Mossyhorn said:
Libel assertions aside, they stole their name from reality TV shows, and spit on the real men who have used a knife to survive. That damn overpriced forged on a hot plate crap pisses me of. What have the sycophant tadpoles fallen for?
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Which company are you talking about?

EDIT: If you're responding to the post right above yours I guess I answered my own question, I wasn't sure at first.

Even though I have that part figured out I still don't understand where you're coming from on this.
 
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I know of multiple purchases of survive knives below full price during special sales and or pre-orders like the GSO 10 and 4's.

The main "problem" with survive knives is you stop buying new knives. S!K has the premium steel, HT, QC, and geometry well suited for outdoor rough use. Mine was thinned a pinch to make it mine.

I would be first in line to stop someone from throwing away their money if my experience was bad. I don't know Guy. I know his work and it is excellent. People complain about everything on the internet. No one is spared. I even read complaining about INFI chipping. If you question Busse toughness, you are a whiner. Case dismissed.
 
Tony said in the comments of his article that he will have a follow up next week. I'm interested to see how this goes.
 
Silver Needle said:
Which company are you talking about?

EDIT: If you're responding to the post right above yours I guess I answered my own question, I wasn't sure at first.

Even though I have that part figured out I still don't understand where you're coming from on this.
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I really need to stay off the web when I've been drinking. It's doesn't make any sense to me either. May I'll drink some more to figure it out.:D
 
scu09144 said:
Here is my response to the thread along with feedback from one person that submitted comments: http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2016/09/survive-knives-and-criticisms-of-small.html
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Thanks for giving this whole thing a second look and for the response to specific posts and comments, I'm not sure if that is something you usually do.

Your second article got specific enough to be constructive. There's no denying there's room for improvement with the company. Actual changes to how business is done is up to SURVIVE! and all we can do as customers is decide if we want to get involved with that or not.
 
I think the gist of Tony's post was that the Survive website listed his knife as in stock and took his money. I think he's pretty reasonable to feel misled that this obviously wasn't the case. He doesn't say Survive is a bad company or doing this is trying to mislead anyone. He just said what they did is a poor business practice and used it as an example of a problem he perceives in the industry. The statement "The bladeforums survive! manufactures forum is mostly a one sided Jonestown full of fanboys and shills for Survive! It's a place where sk knife nerds get their Koolaid fix and gather for worship. You will not find a "discussion" there" was made by a commenter, not Tony himself. However some of the responses on here basically prove tat commenter right. Tony has to approve comments on his site to keep the comments section from filling up with spam. I've never had a comment not approved by him even when it's critical of something he said.
 
To whom it may concern...

After reading the article over at EDC, and reading over the first thread Guy started when he first launched SK one thing stands is abundantly clear.... all the commentary, controversy, and emotion surrounding SK is driven by one thing, and one thing only.... "desire". Nobody is complaining about the product itself, no matter which side of the love/hate line they find themselves on. In other words if nobody wanted Guy's knives this whole thing, and I mean all of it, would be a non issue. With this in mind, and looking at some of the very passionate comments, both here and over at EDC, Guy's critics could/should be considered his biggest fans!! They just hate that they can't get what they "really" want, when they want it, and if they didn't want it so bad, it would be no big deal at all. Nobody is forcing anybody to pony up, lay down your money, and get inline... The only people who do this are the people who desire that knife, and those who are yelling the loudest are those who, didn't ripped off, didn't get what they paid for, didn't like what was finally delivered, but those who want that knife and, and want it bad. Like I said earlier, I initially avoided SK for all the reasons posted, and I understand the communication argument, but then again were do you ever see someone complaining about the blade itself ?? There are plenty who get on board with the "there ok, but there not all that" kind of attitude but then again people don't wait inline for a year for something that's not all it's cracked up to be... and it seems to me, even with all the recent delays, things are selling out as fast or faster then before, hence the difficulty in obtaining a SK knife directly. When I decided to go for a blade from Guy, I had no problem finding a new blade second hand, I paided $10 over retail and couldn't be happier with my purchase. I'm convinced by my own experience that there isn't a better blade for the money, to be had. If that makes me a fanboy as some have asserted, then so be it, but it boggles my mind that someone who is so clearly upset because they don't have one too, or right when they want it, or didn't get 45 emails letting you know "it's not going to be shipped today", are clearly in the fanboy section as well... Weather they want to admit it or not !! Only indifference would clear them, and indifference is not what you get with SK, no matter what side of that love/hate line your on. My only hope in all of this is that Guy won't cave into the pressure to satisfy these "types" of fanboys because that would be the end of SK as we know it. Sure, nobody wants to wait a year for a knife, but it would be something awful if they weren't willing to, and I think that's getting missed here. Its not to say waiting in line couldn't be made more comfortable, but I've waited in line for 4hrs to ride a 17second roller coaster, only to get off it and get in line again. A couple things were certain, I paid up front, and my comfort was up to me... I wasn't getting paid to ride, nobody was going to be able to make that wait better for me, and nobody is standing in line that long for the tilt a whirl !! There's something clearly worth the wait at SK, and it's up to the individual wether that's what they want or not, but as I look back a Guy's first post that's clearly what he wanted... to make a serious tool people would know by instinct, someone cared about the way this thing was put together... and I can afford it, to boot !! That's SURVIVE! KNIVES, and that's why the growing pains, and long waits, and the overpriced secondary market, the fanboys and, those who think there haters, but in reality are the most admit fans, and that's why I'll type this even if no one reads it, or reads it and doesn't care...... I hope business will smooth out for Guy and Ellie, but when all that changes, in some ways it will mean SK has too !!
 
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I just don't get how it becomes so complex. If you don't like the business model don't support it. If you think you've been swindled ask for a refund. It's really that simple, lots of other great knife makers are out there are waiting for your money. I have a pile of knives by other makers and normally I wouldn't pay up front for anything that I can't see first but I trust that my money and trust in S!K will yield a result. No one is asking anyone to do that if they don't want to.

fbhandler, I could only get through a couple lines of what you were posting and it made a lot of sense but I think you need some paragraphs there sir, I had a hard time following it all the way through. No need to be apologetic about what you write, it's just hard to follow.
 
Mossyhorn said:
Libel assertions aside, they stole their name from reality TV shows, and spit on the real men who have used a knife to survive. That damn overpriced forged on a hot plate crap pisses me of. What have the sycophant tadpoles fallen for?
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POTY (Post of the Year) :D
 
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