F ball bearings! OK, maybe not so much now, opinion changing

None of these cutting tools failed to perform, not even the two knives with bearing pivots. :)

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Well, the XL Espada didn't perform or not...my dad brought it along, and it didn't get used once. :D
 
Ah, that is the point. You have zero experience with bearing knives and refute testimony from those who DO have experience. Not exactly wise. What do you have to say about the millions of knives with bearings in circulation and have been for years with ZERO problems. I think your take is myopic, step back, think about the shear number of knives with bearings and for the length of time they have been produced. Are they failing left and right? No, they are not. Other than a few examples of tracks being worn into TI out of MILLIONS of knives, what is your argument and opinion based on?

The photos of tracks worn into TI have no story that can be credibly followed. How do you know some fool didn't purposely tighten the living hell out of a knifes pivot in an attempt to force a track to be worn? You don't.

Did you know washers can be over tightened and actually crushed? Come on dude. You have zero legs to stand on, yet you vehemently voice your opinion as fact.
Aldebaran said:
I see I need to repeat myself. I have never owned a ball bearing knife. Why is this a question again?
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jbmonkey said:
i do own bearing knives from many makers and use them.. so that parts out. i have a diverse collection of brands, lock types, and styles. i enjoy them all in their own way. i have favorites of course but dont really dislike any type so much to be compleltey biased. i am human though so there is always some bias. i dont hate bearing knives was just answering the ops statements on what i see as the change of why they are so popular nowadays.

fair points not sure they all apply to me though. remember its just an opinion i stated, nothing more nothing less. thanks for the followup.
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Well, i respect your opinion as you have demonstrated it is based on first hand experience. I cant fault you for liking what you like. And apologies for any assumptions I have made.
 
craytab said:
Your opinion is from zero experience.
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So that is the way it will go. Quote mining, straw men arguments, and logical fallacies. I guess I should not have expected better.

The implied assertion here is that data, experience in referential fields and situations, and the experiences of others should not be considered. Only your personal experience is allowed to be a factor in your decision. People having knife failures from some design decision should never affect my decision on buying a knife. Is that really the way that some of you think?
 
PURPLEDC said:
Well, i respect your opinion as you have demonstrated it is based on first hand experience. I cant fault you for liking what you like. And apologies for any assumptions I have made.
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no Sir. no apologies needed. was just a discussion on my statement. all fair game. i make a statement i have to accept discussions and critiques and i enjoy that process with decent folks. i appreciated your thoughts and you made very good points.
 
shinyedges said:
Ah, that is the point. You have zero experience with bearing knives and refute testimony from those who DO have experience. Not exactly wise. What do you have to say about the millions of knives with bearings in circulation and have been for years with ZERO problems. I think your take is myopic, step back, think about the shear number of knives with bearings and for the length of time they have been produced. Are they failing left and right? No, they are not. Other than a few examples of tracks being worn into TI out of MILLIONS of knives, what is your argument and opinion based on?

The photos of tracks worn into TI have no story that can be credibly followed. How do you know some fool didn't purposely tighten the living hell out of a knifes pivot in an attempt to force a track to be worn? You don't.

Did you know washers can be over tightened and actually crushed? Come on dude. You have zero legs to stand on, yet you vehemently voice your opinion as fact.
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You accuse me of ignoring data, but then wildly ignore photographic evidence of a failure just because you don't like it? I am being biased? I have considered all the anecdotes, the discussions, and have relied on engineering principles. I don't ignore the people who have never had a problem just as I don't ignore people who smoke who have never had cancer. Does this mean I ignore the evidence that there are problems with ball bearing knives? Why would I unless I want to believe something just because I want to believe?

You are refuting those who have had bad experiences. Hypocrisy is not a good arguing point.
 
Ok buddy, what was the point of this thread? Good luck with your crusade. I foresee a thread closing in the near future anyway:thumbup:
Aldebaran said:
You accuse me of ignoring data, but then wildly ignore photographic evidence of a failure just because you don't like it? I am being biased? I have considered all the anecdotes, the discussions, and have relied on engineering principles. I don't ignore the people who have never had a problem just as I don't ignore people who smoke who have never had cancer. Does this mean I ignore the evidence that there are problems with ball bearing knives? Why would I unless I want to believe something just because I want to believe?

You are refuting those who have had bad experiences. Hypocrisy is not a good arguing point.
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PURPLEDC said:
Yes brandoak we know you can copy and paste. Beyond that remains to be seen.......... and you can belittle my experience if you want to. But im confident in my abilities and have the skill and experience to back my arguments without the help of google. And you do realize the insingo is just a sebenza with a modified blade shape right? Designed the insingo? More like "modified" a sebenza..
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"brandoak we know you can copy and paste. Beyond that remains to be seen........"
Really? Ive posted a few...But I have never once seen anything from you except self fulfilled disagreement and argumentative rebuttal.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1315035-My-first-Stiletto-switchblade-build
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1328175-Handle-it
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1327917-Tuff-Love
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1315411-Reblading-an-OTF-knife
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1315869-Chopped-ZT-300-edc
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1315416-Any-Fallkniven-fans
 
shinyedges said:
Ok buddy, what was the point of this thread? Good luck with your crusade. I foresee a thread closing in the near future anyway:thumbup:
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The point of this thread was to show my dislike of ball bearing pivots. Perhaps someone from some knife company might see the discussion from others on the issue and perhaps that manufacturer could take into consideration the opinions of some of their customers and potential customers. This is a knife discussion forum and this is where people share their opinions and personal desires about knives.
 
How many flippers have washers?

Flipping a flipper guard is a very nice and quick way to open a knife

When i think "work knife" i think of box cutters and Moras


I do however very much disapprove of people using washerless bearings
 
I think were all coming from vastly different sides of the field in our arguments while defending our beliefs about the subject. I think its all in the way we shop.
 
Vicarious Reality said:
How many flippers have washers?

Flipping a flipper guard is a very nice and quick way to open a knife

When i think "work knife" i think of box cutters and Moras


I do however very much disapprove of people using washerless bearings
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If your referring to hardened steel bearing races..
I agree and tend to think that more and more makers making knives with bearing have caught on to this as well.
They did when everyone started wanting metal inserts on there lock bars as well. ZT discontinued the 301 without them and started putting metal inserts on all there knives. Is it needed? probably not, but will it gain favor with people thinking there plain titanium lock faces are going to wear down after a few years..ya
Its all about sales and what people want.
 
jbmonkey said:
why are you throwing away that perfectly good folder? just cause it has bearings?:)
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According to some folks, I probably should. ;)

The only downside to that knife is that the jimping at the front of the handle can be a tad uncomfortable in very forceful cutting in a hammer-grip without gloves.
For regular use it is perfectly comfortable, and it hasn't really been an issue, but if someone said they found it uncomfortable in very heavy cutting, I could certainly see where they are coming from.
 
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