Fair or not

Should the seller be responsible for full disclosure on the pedigree of a knife/item being sold

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NCCNC said:
What section was it listed in?
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I will defend the ignorant on this as I myself frequently view the forum through the "New Posts" listing and don't always look at what section I am diving into or at least don't look closely enough. It is very easy to land in a sales thread and not notice you are in the Production/Mid-Tech sales section.

miso2 said:
This?
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/sold-berg-blades-iron-pup-mini-iron-wolf.1588294/
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Looking at this thread I don't see any misrepresentation and any omission of details that the seller needed to disclose. To me the price alone would ring that this is either production/mid-tech or such a deal that there must be something wrong or a scam/cheat.

BellaBlades said:
I educate myself before I buy anything and if not , it's on me.

In this case you should have done the same or asked the seller questions before hand.

I think you were mostly bummed for not getting a custom piece at a fraction of the cost. I get it.


Your poll is a clear YES. But does not directly reflect this situation.
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I agree I would try not to pull the trigger too fast w/o knowing what I am pulling it on. I have yet to do anything in the form of a sale or trade on BF short of the PiF thread but my experience on the bay and other places I am a cautious buyer.
 
Ad looks fine to me. I certainly do not see anything that looks to be misleading (intentional or accidental). Just my opinion though.
 
Price and listing sub forum are enough for me to make this an accurate listing. Could he have expanded the explanation, yes, but I can't find him at fault for listing it how did .

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Sellers also have to be careful and know what they are listing and list it in the proper sub forum. I have seen a number of mid techs listed in the custom section and this could be very confusing to some buyers. Moderators can't catch them all and may not even know themselves with all the new mid-techs hitting the market these days.
 
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It did come from the maker, just made by We. You should be familiar with a knife before you buy it. If you find out after the fact that the smaller version is a production piece well... that's kind of something you should research before hand.
 
Nothing misleading at all about the thread. I posted on my experience and disappointment of a purchase albeit a couple of weeks after getting it. So I thought what do people think on how an item is listed for sale etc. Gave the background on the purchase as made by me. Simple as that. Would a poster or post include the pedigree for example of the knife. Apparently those posting in the thread don't agree that the pedigree would or should be included in the thread as it is listed, you know kind of buyer beware type of thing. I get it. I frankly knew nothing of Berg made knives but the folder spoke to me and of course I sprung for it. Hind sight being 20/20 yep should have looked into it. I do know that if I posted the knife for sale I would have it made it clear that it is a prod. knife made by WE and not Berg. But that is me. Like I said debate is good and a lesson learned by me for sure. keepem sharp
 
longbow said:
Nothing misleading at all about the thread. I posted on my experience and disappointment of a purchase albeit a couple of weeks after getting it. So I thought what do people think on how an item is listed for sale etc. Gave the background on the purchase as made by me. Simple as that. Would a poster or post include the pedigree for example of the knife. Apparently those posting in the thread don't agree that the pedigree would or should be included in the thread as it is listed, you know kind of buyer beware type of thing. I get it. I frankly knew nothing of Berg made knives but the folder spoke to me and of course I sprung for it. Hind sight being 20/20 yep should have looked into it. I do know that if I posted the knife for sale I would have it made it clear that it is a prod. knife made by WE and not Berg. But that is me. Like I said debate is good and a lesson learned by me for sure. keepem sharp
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I don't think you are getting it.
If we answered the poll it would be yes-we believe in full disclosure
However that isn't to agree with you that there wasn't full disclosure. We think there was-no buyer beware at all
 
L longbow I can feel for your disappointment I have bought uninformed before and regretted it even if I did still enjoy what I got. I hope you can still enjoy the knife and if not you can always send it along yourself by listing it back up for sale here.
 
longbow said:
.....Now I contact the seller and he feels he didn't misrepresent the knife at all. I don't expect him to take it back etc. but I do feel that on the forums here it is all about honesty in presentation of an item and so forth. The knife was listed as a particular model and I assumed that it was made in his shop but it is not. I think it should have been mentioned in the sales thread it was factory made and not maker made bottom line. Everything presented in the thread would lead me to believe that the maker did indeed make this knife and not otherwise.

I could be way off base here. If I am I apologize but like I said its all about honesty in presentation of an item for sale or trade.
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I'm sorry, but you're off base in this circumstance. First and foremost, as already mentioned several times in this thread, the seller posted in the Production Folder section. Did you know that? If you did, and still thought it was a custom, I would have asked seller if he posted in the correct sub-forum.

I also agree with the seller in that he did not misrepresent the knife. You're implying he's being dishonest (if I were the seller, I'd be pissed), but you admittedly made certain assumptions that you discovered weren't true.
 
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This thread comes down to a question about mutual responsibility between a seller and potential buyer. Honesty should be a given and both parties should always be honest. Relative responsibility can be trickier.

IMO, the seller has the responsibility to do his best in listing an item for sale. That means being forthright and transparent to prospective buyers. He can be 100% forthright and transparent EVEN IF his listing is not a perfect listing. The prospective buyer has a responsibility to ask questions before committing to purchase. That is where this experience got derailed. It is not up to the seller to anticipate and address every conceivable thought or question from the world of buyers. That's impossible. But, buyers can certainly fire questions to the seller at will until they are satisfied with knowing what they will get should they choose to make the purchase.

I see a lot of FS threads here where someone says they will buy something within one minute after an item has been listed for sale. Have most buyers fully read through the FS thread at that point? Or have they just seen their latest, greatest grail in the FS heading and jumped quickly and blindly out of fear that if they don't, someone else will? I don't know how quickly that sale happened given that the timestamps aren't showing for me, but my point is that hasty purchases can soon become the norm around here. Folks should slow down, take a minute to consider things and read the FS thread closely, and then respond accordingly. Pretty much what ScooterG said above, just with a lot more wind on my part. ;)
 
As has been stated and beaten to death now, this situation is 100% on you. The fact that he posted it in the correct section (big indicator there) aside, it's not on the seller to disclose facts about a knife to that degree. Let's say that someone who has a Spyderco Paramilitary 2 collection decides to branch out and snap up a very nice Spyderco Southard currently offered on the Exchange. That guy gets the knife, sees "Taichung Taiwan" instead of "Golden, Colorado, Earth" and is furious. Does he have any right to be angry at the seller, or feel misled?

Not even a little bit. Kinda the same situation here.
 
Imagine a seller needing to list every possible detail for a production knife. Oh, and remind a buyer that since they are in the production knife section of the exchange, that the knife being looked at is infact a production knife.

If every pm2 fs thread listed every detailed aspect of the pm2, that would get old quick. If one is dropping $200 on a knife, might a 5 second Google search be worth the effort to make sure you are getting what you want?

The onus of doing basic research on an item being purchased is not on the seller.
 
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