Fake, Clone, Copy, Idea user,

[killgar]

I personally think it's wrong to infringe on an active patent, regardless of where the company/maker is located, and I think there should be penalties for doing so. But that's my idea of right and wrong, and I don't expect the rest of the world to live by my sense of right and wrong. Likewise, I don't feel the need to pass any moral judgement on others who do not share my ideas of right and wrong. I don't think it's my place to pass moral judgement on people based on what knives they buy.

As far as buying knives from companies that use designs and ideas that they didn't invent, how many knife companies/makers produce knives with liner locks, frame locks, back locks, thumb studs, pocket clips, assisted opening, glass breakers, strap cutters, lock bar travel stoppers, etc, etc, etc.

If you take a good look at the knives you own, I imagine that there are one or two ideas/designs that the manufacturer/maker did not invent, but somebody else did. And if there are no patents on those ideas/designs, then I seriously doubt the manufacturer/maker producing those knives are paying royalties to the original inventor of those ideas/designs.

Who was the first to come up with the idea of attaching a pocket clip to a folder? Spyderco? So if you buy a knife with a pocket clip from a company other than Spyderco, and that company isn't paying Spyderco royalties, does that make you a bad person?

 

[wilsonj1018]

Not a fake, clone or copy.

I find that very hard to believe, unless you are typing on a ancient IBM...

 

[craytab]

and all you stone throwers are typing from what?

Not a knife. This a knife forum and the topic is knives after all.

 

[MaximIsayev]

A question. Would the KA-BAR Folding Hunter (or the older KA-BAR model 1189) be considered a clone of the Buck 110?

 

[wilsonj1018]

Not a knife. This a knife forum and the topic is knives after all.

i may have been off topic, but you cannot deny everyone here is is typing on a newer clone of something with an expired patent.. so back to knives, who here has a frame lock or a liner lock? im betting just about everyone... that said if it isnt a 1920s cattaraugus or a trademarked walker, or a chris reeve knife, its a damn clone.. so please stop throwing rocks at people who enjoy knives and tend to buy so called "clones". Everyone here loves knifes and other sharp objects, and we all own clones be it one form or another. so lets quit poking each other with sticks.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

i may have been off topic, but you cannot deny everyone here is is typing on a newer clone of something with an expired patent.. so back to knives, who here has a frame lock or a liner lock? im betting just about everyone... that said if it isnt a 1920s cattaraugus or a trademarked walker, or a chris reeve knife, its a damn clone.. so please stop throwing rocks at people who enjoy knives and tend to buy so called "clones". Everyone here loves knifes and other sharp objects, and we all own clones be it one form or another. so lets quit poking each other with sticks.

Tip of the iceberg...

 

[Hickory n steel]

I don't think it's a big deal if the style of another knife is copied, but as long as its not an exact copy.
Nobody complains about the many knives out there that have copied the buck 110. If everyone is allowed to copy the lock back of the buck 110 then why isn't it OK for people to use an axis style lock ?

 

[craytab]

i may have been off topic, but you cannot deny everyone here is is typing on a newer clone of something with an expired patent.. so back to knives, who here has a frame lock or a liner lock? im betting just about everyone... that said if it isnt a 1920s cattaraugus or a trademarked walker, or a chris reeve knife, its a damn clone.. so please stop throwing rocks at people who enjoy knives and tend to buy so called "clones". Everyone here loves knifes and other sharp objects, and we all own clones be it one form or another. so lets quit poking each other with sticks.

First, knife forum. Topic is knives, not what I type on. Second, if you can't see the difference between owning a framelock not made by CRK and what Ganzo or other knock off/counterfeit companies do then you are just here justifying theft. It is amazing the excuses that people come up with to legitimize what they know is wrong.

The rule here on clones/counterfeits/knock offs is clear. I suggest you look it up.

 

[craytab]

I don't think it's a big deal if the style of another knife is copied, but as long as its not an exact copy.
Nobody complains about the many knives out there that have copied the buck 110. If everyone is allowed to copy the lock back of the buck 110 then why isn't it OK for people to use an axis style lock ?

It is not an axis style lock. It is an exact design copy of the axis lock which they refer to as an axis lock. That is theft. How is this not clear?

 

[Hickory n steel]

It is not an axis style lock. It is an exact design copy of the axis lock which they refer to as an axis lock. That is theft. How is this not clear?

I was just speaking in general, is there a specific company that directly copies the axis lock ?
I'm assuming it's one of the Chinese companies like enlon , sanrenmu , ganzo ...ect

 

[davek14]

Is the patent on the axis lock expired?

I'm curious

 

[Hickory n steel]

A question. Would the KA-BAR Folding Hunter (or the older KA-BAR model 1189) be considered a clone of the Buck 110?

Pretty much all clip point lock backs of that general configuration are in some form or other copies of the venerable buck 110 ,and that's all they are because only a buck 110 is a buck 110 😉

 

[ursamajor]

There are 2 sides to this argument. TBT, there does need to be competition. And since an Axis lock is not a literal necessity, I would side with Benchmade. However, in pharmaceuticals, look at the EpiPen. I'm not for big government, but in that case, in which a corporation is gouging with necessary item, it is the only type of case I would support an executive order, voiding Mylan's patent.


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[wilsonj1018]

considering both patent and trademark are currently expired, legally its not theft. i personally dont have a dog in this fight, but its kinda shitty how you all basically tell a guy who obviously support numerous knife companies his actions are shameful and morally wrong. even if these guys are buying exact knock offs or clones, does that make it ok to belittle another person? or for that matter insult me for interjecting facts and true statements?

 

[wilsonj1018]

I'm curious

yes as is their trademark on the name

 

[stabman]

Not a knife. This a knife forum and the topic is knives after all.

I'm typing with two knives...using the butt end of the Spyderco Police in the left hand, and the Emerson Mini Commander in the right.
It is breathtakingly inefficient!

 

[stabman]

if it isn't...a chris reeve knife, its a damn clone.

Wrong, since Chris Reeve left it so others could use the lock he devised.
Get with the program.

 

[MaximIsayev]

Pretty much all clip point lock backs of that general configuration are in some form or other copies of the venerable buck 110 ,and that's all they are because only a buck 110 is a buck 110 😉

That's pretty much what I thought. It seems that people don't seem to mind these kind of copies because enough time passed since the original knife was released. It also seems that it's not too big of a deal in the traditional market, where different companies make similar patterns.

 

[wilsonj1018]

Wrong, since Chris Reeve left it so others could use the lock he devised.
Get with the program.

still does not change the fact its a copy,clone, or modified version of his original design. :thumbup:

 

[Hickory n steel]

That's pretty much what I thought. It seems that people don't seem to mind these kind of copies because enough time passed since the original knife was released. It also seems that it's not too big of a deal in the traditional market, where different companies make similar patterns.

With the exception of the buck 110 most traditional patterns have been around for too long for anyone to know who came up with them and there's a kind of a limited number of patterns.
While I don't mind it with any knives it is a little different with modern folders as the possibilities are practically endless and there's no need to copy someone else's knife, especially when it's a relatively recent one. I don't mind copying another knife's style, but there's no real need to when modern knife design is basically play dough.