Fandorin/Alex Cherpel - Very Bad

Boy is that going to be hard to fix without there being a stress line. The tip may have to be re-profiled.

Was all of the packaging in perfect condition? Does it look like it might have been opened for inspection by Customs? Any signs of re-taping?
 
Fandorin/Alex put yourself in the buyers shoes.Lets say you pay 3-500.00 for a knife and it comes damaged regardless if the Post Office is to blame or packaging job of the sender.You have a damaged knife and paid for a mint knife.Are you to expect us to believe,you in the reverse position would agree to to the sellers response to this situation?I think you would be just as peeved that the seller is refusing to refund your money and refusing to deal with the Postal service themselves.You essentially are saying tuff Sh*t to the buyer,you deal with the problem.That is no way to react in this situation.You also threw around blame according to Johns post that maybe he tested the knife.Look man,stop looking for the easy out and grow a set of B*lls. In fact a knife business with the same response you have given the buyer in the same situation would find himself out of business very quickly.In fact there might even be a legal obligation from the seller in a situation like this to refund the money upon return of the merchandise.Do the right thing man,without honor you have nothing.
 
Mr Pervis

I made a comment . . . .

Quote John Hollister:
The knife was not delivered in the condition described, Period.

A prompt refund from the seller is in order.
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. . . . and I stick by it.

Jbravo paid for a certain knife in a certain condition. It was not delivered as described. Shipping/Insuring is the sellers responsibility. Correct? No matter where they live.

I've shipped knives and other items around the world and have had little trouble. The only issues I have had, have been with the Canadian Postal System. I send stuff to Australia, China, England, Africa ect and it takes days to get there. I send something to Canada and it takes three freakin weeks to get over the border.

Back on track . . . Jbravo paid for a mint Mad Dog, not a repaired Mad Dog. The goods were received damaged, the seller should give a refund (if the buyer doesn't want a repaired knife or other arrangements can't be settled on) and he should go after the Post Office for the Insurance. Seems pretty plain and simple to me.

It's issues like these that make US knife people nervous when it comes to buying/selling from folks outside the US.

Quote Melvin-Purvis
Note to self: *Reason #207 why I don't ship knives out of the U.S.
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Having lived outside the US, I feel the pain of our non-US brothers and Sisters here. I for one will continue to do business with almost all the folks here, regardless of their nationality. Hopefully I'll not find myself in a situation like Jbravo though.

John
 
I have had a number of dealings with jbravo and all worked well. He went out of his way to be helpful and co-operative with shipping both ways as I also live in Canada. If the knife is not right and in the condition that you indicated then I think the onus is on you Alex to fix it and that means you refund him and you deal with Canada Post , if in fact it was insured. If you fight hard enough they will pay. Believe me, I've been there! Your dealing with a class guy so act in a similar fashion and send him payment in full! Mike :(
 
...I agree with you both.

I think I was trying to 'play' moderator, and offer some potential solutions...but I failed miserably, because my position was invalid to begin with.

I was sliding down the slippery slope there last night, and the more I dug in, the faster I slid... :eek:

It was only when some friends from here started emailing me with, "WTF? How would you handle this if 'you' received it that way, or if 'you' were the seller?"

When I put myself in jbravo's place, the whole picture looked a little different. (Thanks for the wake-up call guys)

You stand by your position John, and I'm in agreement with you, but I'll stand by mine as well.

That being, these guys should work it out on their own, even if that means sending the knife back for a 'no questions asked' full refund.

...going back to mumbling to myself now... ;)
 
It's no secret that Seth is a good friend of mine, I make no excuses.
The knife was shipped wrapped separately from the sheath.
There was absolutely no cuts or damage to the box or any of the shipping materials.
This knife is nowhere near the high end price range of the knives he buys and sells everyday.
I can tell you that if this situation had been reversed, fandorin would have his money back already, alot of you know that. He has stepped up to the plate and helped alot of people here.
This really sucks.

Dave
PS-You can see one of his knives on the last page of the new Blade magazine, yup, that's the kind of stuff he does.
 
While jbravo and I have never met in person, I am privileged to consider him a friend. That is not something I bestow lightly. It is based on a pattern of dealing that spans years. jbravo and I have done business over numerous, very high end knives for a considerable sum of money. The man's word is as impeccable as any I have ever known. I have watched jbravo sell unobtainable treasures with the proceeds going to a worthy cause, and I have seen him purchase special knives at inflated prices with the proceeds going to people in need. jbravo would not know how to scam or dissemble. I want to believe the best about all people. If jbravo felt that he didn't receive what he paid for, he didn't. He is an honest and sophisticated purchaser. As John Hollister said,he should be made whole PERIOD. We are only as good as our names. His is the best. The seller is at one of those life moments where he can either do the right thing or not. I believe that he will do so with grace.
 
Everybody seems to be missing the point that I did offer Jbravo two options. He told me it would cost $8 to fix the knife and I offered to pay for it. He wanted a refund and I offered to do it if he sends the knife to my friend in San Francisco for inspection. I do not want to pay 15% of the knife cost to Canadian customs.
To answer few questions brought up here:
-the knife was not shipped in the sheath because it was in mint condition and I did not want to risk leaving scratch marks from the kydex.I guess if I sent it in the sheath and jbravo scratched the blade by pulling the knife out he would be demanding a refund based on that.
-yes I will have to pay 15% custom tax no matter what you write on the box. I bought Maringer Vorpal from Jaxurman and we tried to pull this trick with " returned from repair". I was eventually facing 15% tax on a $1200 knife. I had to send it back to Jack and he sent it to my friend from San Francisco who later brought the knife over.
-to all the friends and supporters of jbravo, who seem to enjoy this little soap opera, none of you were present when he opened the package or when I sent it so leave your opinions to yourself. When I recieve the knife I open the package at the post office at the presence of the clerk in case it was damaged on the way.
-Melvin-Purvis, thank you for understanding my situation. There is no need to back down because of somebody's pressure.

As of now my both offers are still open to jbravo. Since I will be loosing a lot on this transaction, I think it won't kill him to wait for refund while my friend is inspecting the knife. But I think he is enjoying too much playing a victim.

Alex.
 
Originally posted by fandorin
Since I will be loosing a lot on this transaction, I think it won't kill him to wait for refund while my friend is inspecting the knife. But I think he is enjoying too much playing a victim.

Alex.
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jbravo is NOBODY's victim, pal. It's just too bad that you have to learn that the hard way.
 
Alex still hasn't explained what happens if the San Fransisco expert feels the knife is unrepairable. Nor has he explained why I should accept a repaired knife when I paid for a mint one. He seems to think I should accept his strained logic rather than simply resolve this.

I've told him several times that I intend to send the knife to Mad Dog tomorrow morning for repair if he doesn't honor his responsibility by agreeing to reverse the trade today. Once its sent to Kevin, he loses the opportunity to make things right, and thats that. This is not some extended negotiation - either be honorable or not.

His lengthy explanation about cheating the Canadian government does not give any confidence about his reliability either. I will post if he decides to do the honorable thing, otherwise you can consider this finished, if badly.
 
Fandorin, you will not have to pay a 15% tax. The reason you had to pay on the knife you bought from Jack was because you had bought the knife. This knife is yours. In my profession if I ship an amplifier to the US and it is damaged, I do not have to pay a tax to get it back. If you have proof that you shipped it to Seth, such as a receipt from the post office, you will have to pay nothing. If you did not keep your receipt, when the knife comes back you should be able to show a Customs Inspector that it is damaged and that that is indeed the reason it has been returned. Just have Seth put on the customs declaration that it is being returned to it's original owner because it was received damaged. Do you think that a Canadian knifemaker that sells a knife to someone in the US and has it returned because of damage during shipping will have to pay a tax when it comes back? Absolutely not!

Besides, you said that if your friend inspected the knife and it was repairable, you would give Seth a refund. What is the difference between it being repairable and it not being repairable as far as a refund is concerned? Under your thinking, you would have to pay a tax to get it back in either situation, so there should be no conditions on the refund.

What you do when you go to the Post Office to pick up a knife (usually a package is delivered to a persons home or work place) has nothing to do with this because it wasn't you who received the knife. If that is something that Seth doesn't do then so what? With your little comment about us not being there when the knife was opened or packaged you are once again inferring, at least to me, that Seth is somehow to blame for the condition of the knife. Just like we have no proof that Seth didn't damage the knife, you have no proof he did. How is your friend inspecting it going to change that? Will this friend of yours know from looking at the damage done to the knife who it was that damaged it?

Also Fandorin, when you get the knife repaired and it is being shipped back to you by Kevin at Mad Dog, have him put that the knife is being returned to it's original owner after being repaired on the customs declaration. Then on the value for customs portion he only has to put down the cost of the repair. That way you will only have to pay tax on the repair. If it is only $8.00 US quite often there is no tax at all.

I did the customs clearing for ten years for a company that I worked for, so I have quite a bit of experience with these matters.
 
So now you are blaming him for not opening the package at the Post office?No sorry Alex,the only one missing the point is you my friend.If you don't want to run the potential risk for paying taxes in case of refund/return,then simply don't do business with anyone outside of your country.When you enter into a selling agreement, these are some of the risks you take in case things do not work out.Why does John have to get involved with sending this knife for inspection to California?John did not enter into a transaction with him,so why should he get him involved?Whom is this guy to insepect anything,and John is supposed to accept his opinion?If the knife is not repairable,so what?Whats that translate to for John?Can your friend tell if it happened in transit,before shipping,after, give me a break.Why should he have to wait at all for a refund?The minute you receive the Maddog back,you should issue a refund.Can't you see the scan that was posted,what more visual proof do you need that there was damage.Your looking for evidence this damage was done by the buyer,well even if you are correct,there is no way to prove where,when,how it happened.Maybe the guy at the post office opened up used it as a screwdriver and then resealed the package,who knows.Unfortunatly,this is the nature of the beast of selling and trading on the forums.This formite you are trying to give a royal screwing too,has a excellent record here and has been around quite awhile.The man asked for a refund and for a valid reason,that should be enough.Now as far as you not wanting opinions from people here,well tuff!!You'll get opinions and plenty of them,so far none support you.hhmmmmm!!!:p :rolleyes: The only reason this became public was because you failed to do the right thing.Apparantly,you still have no intentions of doing the right thing.I hope it was all worth it,because you have lost alot in regards to participating in future trades and sales.Don't be so sure that people that have dealt with you in the past, will continue to do so in the future.Your word is everything here.
 
Alex, don't hide behind our border. I am a proud and honourable Canadian but guys like you make it very difficult to enjoy our love of knives with our neighbours to the south. Seth is one of the most highly respected people in the knife field and I think we need to see your resume! Mike
 
This is an incredibly simple matter. Strip it down to it's basics.

1. Jbravo paid for a mint condition knife.
2. Jbravo says he did not receive a mint condition knife.
3. If Jbravo says that something is "just so" I believe him. (That's a period at the end of that sentence.)

Have him ship it where ever you like but the right thing to do is to refund the purchase price. The opinion of some third party as to whether the knife is repairable or not, has no bearing on the issue. Neither does the inconvenience or expense of Canadian import taxes have anything to do with your transaction.

Last point:
4. Jbravo would refund your money without hesitation if the positions were reversed.
 
...only two questions, both for 'TOMBSTONE', A: "Who is 'John'?, and B: "Why are you writing in a style like 'Toasterman?'" :p

Seriously, fandorin, the tribe has spoken...

Send jbravo back his money; have him send the knife to Kevin for repair, return to you, and tell your 'friend' in San Francisco that he's off the hook... ;)

Man, well, I sure learned a lot from this exchange...I'll be sending my 'for sale' knives in Kevlar jackets from now on...

Mel
 
I thought J was representative for John in Jbravo,so whats your point bastid?:D Who the hell is toasterman?and no I don't know why I write like him.MAYBE I SHOULD JUST WRITE WITH ALL CAPS LIKE SOMEPEOPLE WE KNOW!HAHAHA!!!!!:p
 
...touche' ya douche...lol

Yeah, you nailed it bud, TOASTERMANistheguythattypeseveryTHINGlikethis... ;)

Mel
 
Originally posted by fandorin
Everybody seems to be missing the point that I did offer Jbravo two options. He told me it would cost $8 to fix the knife and I offered to pay for it. He wanted a refund and I offered to do it if he sends the knife to my friend in San Francisco for inspection. I do not want to pay 15% of the knife cost to Canadian customs.
To answer few questions brought up here:
-the knife was not shipped in the sheath because it was in mint condition and I did not want to risk leaving scratch marks from the kydex.I guess if I sent it in the sheath and jbravo scratched the blade by pulling the knife out he would be demanding a refund based on that.
-yes I will have to pay 15% custom tax no matter what you write on the box. I bought Maringer Vorpal from Jaxurman and we tried to pull this trick with " returned from repair". I was eventually facing 15% tax on a $1200 knife. I had to send it back to Jack and he sent it to my friend from San Francisco who later brought the knife over.
-to all the friends and supporters of jbravo, who seem to enjoy this little soap opera, none of you were present when he opened the package or when I sent it so leave your opinions to yourself. When I recieve the knife I open the package at the post office at the presence of the clerk in case it was damaged on the way.
-Melvin-Purvis, thank you for understanding my situation. There is no need to back down because of somebody's pressure.

As of now my both offers are still open to jbravo. Since I will be loosing a lot on this transaction, I think it won't kill him to wait for refund while my friend is inspecting the knife. But I think he is enjoying too much playing a victim.

Alex.
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It looks as if the only one missing the point here is you Mr. Cherpel. What did Jbravo buy from you? He didn't buy a knife that needed repaired. He didn't buy a knife that needs to be inspected by a 3rd party for an "OK". He sent you money for a "MINT" Custom Mad Dog knife and he did not recieve it.

As to your comment about Jbravo supporters enjoying this "little soap opera" I can certainly tell you I don't. It makes me sick seeing someone getting taken advantage of. Having fallen victim to other scammers out there that has taken the money and run after not fulfilling what was promised this , as you call it, "Soap opera" turns my stomach.

And your comment about Jbravo enjoying looking like a victim:rolleyes: . I look at it more like a warning to others to BEWARE of FANDORIN/Alex Cherpel. Jbravo and others here posting their allowable opinions gave you an out to do the honorable thing. Too bad you turned your back on it.......Oh wait I wasn't there when you packed it or when Jbravo opened it so I'm not allowed that opinion......again:rolleyes:

Sorry to hear you chose the dishonarble path Mr. Cherpel.

Ross T.
 
all great !!!! i am only responding to this thread because j bravo has according to alex made statements that are totally false and without merit about me according to alex cherpel in this thread j bravo stated that "jack is a lousy reference to use his word is worthless in the circles i travel in " i have no idea which circles he is refering to but in the circles i travel in and as a respected member of this forum ALL OF THE DEALS I HAVE DONE WERE COMPLETED WITH THE END RESULT OF BOTH TRADER AND TRADEE BEING SATISFIED !!!! my gbu post regarding me are flawless there is no member here that can say that i have done anytghing but the most upstanding deals and trades there are members who care not for me as a person but my honesty and integrity are legendary here on this forum so to j bravos comments as negative as they are regarding me and for no reason i am forced to involve myself in this thread also for the record , i have as alex has stated done several trades with him for several very hi quality pieces alex as i have as well was always an honorable man those are my dealings with him as for j bravo , he dislikes me these are for personal reasons in the past he bought many great rare emerson protos etc bottom line we had a falling out over a misunderstanding but to his defense , he followed thru and was a man of his word in our dealings most of them very hi dollar deals i will add that i too in my dealings with him was honorable as i always have conducted myself in dealings of the biz nature . i have dealt many times with both men alex likes me seth does not i hope it works out for both alex and seth as for melvin purses stop being a yenta :eek: for those who do not understand yiddish , this word means " busybody "JAXURMAN
 
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