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favorite/s swamp rats

Discussion in 'Swamp Rat Knives' started by boring, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    The first RT I had was the original with the trailing point. I used that blade on a bull elk and while it did the job, the trailing point is just not what I prefer for splitting legs and gutting. Too much chance of puncturing the gut and cuts deeper than I want when splitting the hide for skinning out the legs. I much prefer the control of a drop point for those jobs.

    For gutting fish, I can see why you like the trailing point. I wouldn't have modified mine if I were wanting it for that task :thumbsup:

    Also, I make a big distinction between what I see as 'field-dressing' blades and 'skinning' blades. I think there is too much ambiguity in the knife world about this. What I described above with the drop point is what I want in a field dressing blade......a blade that is controllable for making precise slices down the legs that splits hide without cutting muscle, and also that splits the hide and muscle that hold the innards without puncturing gut. You use the forward portion of your blade and tip, holding the knife inverted, to accomplish these cuts, the DP excels here.

    For a pure skinner, that is, a blade that you are using to remove the entire hide from an animal after it has been field-dressed, the trailing point is a great design. Removing the hide requires long, sweeping cuts on the lower portion of the blade out into the belly of the blade. The upswept tip of the trailing point keeps the tip from puncturing because you are now pulling the blade to make slicing cuts. Also, the design of a trailing point adds a lot of length of cutting edge that you can take advantage of to get long slices ---> working from the ricasso out to the tip as you draw the blade toward you.

    tl/dr version: A drop point works great held inverted to make piercing cuts that are controllable as to depth of cut when trying to avoid piercing gut and hitting muscle. A trailing point design is a superior 'pure skinner' used in hammer grip and drawn toward you for long cuts done during hide removal.
     
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  2. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Luke, do you know Ian over on the main Swamprat forums?
     
  3. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    HK said it about the same way as I would have. A DP (I actually prefer DPs for most tasks) gives you much more control when you are trying not to fugg up a critter in the field. I must admit to not being much of a fan at all of the TP for about any task, it just does not work for me.
     
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  4. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Same here. And since the drop point is already on me it gets the skinning duty as well.
     
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  5. ExtraBaconPlease

    ExtraBaconPlease

    Mar 8, 2016
    Thank you both @Andy the Aussie and @Hard Knocks!

    Very clear, concise explanation. Understood!

    I've been watching Deermeatfordinner on youtube for a while now, still learning though. Robert puts up all types of vids, a recent was trophy skinning a gator. He skinned it out then butchered it for cooking. I was visualising that video in my mind whilst you were explaning. Not as good as real life knowledge, but i'll be there soon :thumbsup:

    For fishing, i don't really need to bring a knife with me for processing the fish. I just kill em / whack em in ice and do it at home. Your preference for a DP makes perfect sense as you are carrying in the field.

    P.S Dave, i'm afraid I don't participate on the Swamp Rat forums, so I don't know Ian.

    Cheers guys :thumbsup:
     
  6. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    He lives in Australia like you and Andy, Luke. I guess that's part of why I asked. He's also as nice a gentleman as you'll ever talk to, and exceedingly knowledgeable about handling tasks like we've just been discussing. I would be very happy if I were ever able to meet and visit with him in real life (not to mention many more of the Australian busse-kin fanciers) but it's going to be a pretty hard thing, me with no passport, and him with no desire to ever board an aircraft. Keep reading/watching about it until you get the chance to try it. It will help, but you already know there's no substitute for experience. Cheers to you!
     
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  7. cut it out

    cut it out

    Apr 11, 2010
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] This is tuff. I love all my Rats but the tramp and Gen 1 HR and battle rat and swamp Warden get the most use. The choppy is also a fav. If I could only keep a set from my whole collection I'd keep my set of Res-c rats in my first pic.
     
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  8. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    My DPRT (not sure just how many of them there are !) and toad sheath...

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  9. boring

    boring Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 28, 2005
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  10. boring

    boring Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 28, 2005
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  11. boring

    boring Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 28, 2005
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    haven't really used it much, but thought the new guys might get a kick out of it. I do.
     
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  12. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012

    Andy, besides my two and yours, I've not seen another. Not that there aren't some sleepers out there. I've got one that's straight-spined as well. I modified it from the original, and figure I can always grind it to a drop point if I need. I thinned all three of mine down so that they're thinner behind the edge, and also sterile now because of it. Yours looks good with the logo :thumbsup:
     
  13. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    That one of mine IS of course YOUR fault....LOL ;)
     
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  14. SpyderPhreak

    SpyderPhreak Rocketman for hire Platinum Member

    Apr 13, 2004
    If I want a drop point, usually just use a trusty c/s Rodent Solution or Game Warden. Though I can see some benefit to the longer DPRT.

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    I find that with the choil I had added to my RT, it really helps because then I can choke up on the tip, which really helps with control. Eliminates some of the trailing pint issues.

    I also like the Active Duty design, especially the Elmax HACK variant with the choil and the BAD (not shown).

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    The thin, slicey Elmax SYKCO 460 is also a favorite hunting knife!

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  15. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    ^Great comparison picture there. I'd never seen the two together before, very nice.

    Can I ask, concerning the Busse Game Warden, any thoughts in comparison with something like a swamp warden with bpiatt scales added or any other similar blades?


    I did run off at the mouth about that one a bit much :D I'm so glad I got my orders in for those and the drop point RMDs before they closed the custom shop down though!!
     
  16. Icky Thump

    Icky Thump Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 2011
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  17. Hard Knocks

    Hard Knocks Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    Nice M6! Maybe we'll see an M7 in Part 2..........
     
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  18. Icky Thump

    Icky Thump Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 2011
    Thanks!

    Been wanting one for some time..couldnt resist the brown micarta on this sterile.

    I'd be all over an M7.

    This came today as well..really impressed, news print slicing sharp and bigger than I expected..pleasantly suprised..I'll have this one a long time.

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  19. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    They are a nice knife !!! My M6 is the twin to yours !!! I am surprised how little publicity they get !
     
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  20. Icky Thump

    Icky Thump Gold Member Gold Member

    Dec 8, 2011
    Such a great knife. I'm only on to Busse/Kin a few years..I've just recently became aware of the Mischief's..started w/ an M9LE. Now looking for a saber ground M9.

    I think an M7, M7.5 would be a sweet spot for this handle config..full height grind and satin please..:)
     

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