Feds ban Assisted openers and Flick knives

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soon we will all be required to drive toyota prius's with Hillary clinton stickers on the bumper
 
It's going to happen my friends.:grumpy:

The first 4 years aren't going to be the scary ones - the second 4 are, and from what I see as I travel lifes path, the current administration will unfortunately get 8 in the White House.:mad::mad:

Luckily we don't have to register our knives (not yet anyway), so they know not how many we actually have.;)
 
I'd be happy to read and paraphrase but I cannot download from either of the links posted here. I went to the main page and their link is also broken or nonfunctional.

If what we're reading is true, it's a load of bull. I mean concealed guns, yeah no problem. One hand pocket knives? What are you going to do, stab someone instead of shoot them? I've seen broken beer bottles used as better offensive weapons then pocket knives. The point is they just aren't big enough for the untrained person to be effective with them. Too many variables going into it.
 
Well I havent finished reading yet but I can immediately see the legalese and dancing they are trying to pull. Like certain other recent "readings" of the law this is pretty disgusting imho:

The switchblade act has 4 sections which are used to define whether a knife is a switchblade, the 4th section reads:

(4) Knives with a detachable blade that is propelled by a springoperated
mechanism, and components thereof.
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The knife in question appears to be a plain assisted opening knife that opens and closes with one hand. However, this really blew my mind:

As indicated above, in HQ 116229 this office found that the subject knives
are switchblades within the meaning of 19 CFR 12.95(a)(4).
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So somehow the part that is refering to what would easily be identified as a ballistic knife (ie a knife with a blade that shoots out and detatches from the handle) has been interpreted to include knives that have a spring which helps to propel a blade out of the handle.

Ill update this post as I continue reading, but if this is their "reasoning", it was over before it started, even though these knives were allowed to enter the country.

"Change" was the promise, but nobody asked what changes were going to happen, here you go people. This is the change you voted for sadly.
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go to hell. that has nothing to do with this and you know it. if you want to hate on obama, go do it in the appropriate section. I just want to point out that this little trick is vintage Bush era, so yeah, we did vote for change, we voted to get these retards with law degrees found in the bottom of cracker jack boxes with a big cross on them out.
 
I'd like them to tell me my kershaw leek or chive is more dangerous to society then any other my non flipper or ao knives.........stupid move on the gov'ts part in my opinion. Its really sad they have such a problem with knives, why not waste time and effort on something worth fighting.
-Barry-
 
p_mcmanis said:
Well I havent finished reading yet but I can immediately see the legalese and dancing they are trying to pull. Like certain other recent "readings" of the law this is pretty disgusting imho:

The switchblade act has 4 sections which are used to define whether a knife is a switchblade, the 4th section reads:



The knife in question appears to be a plain assisted opening knife that opens and closes with one hand. However, this really blew my mind:



So somehow the part that is refering to what would easily be identified as a ballistic knife (ie a knife with a blade that shoots out and detatches from the handle) has been interpreted to include knives that have a spring which helps to propel a blade out of the handle.

Ill update this post as I continue reading, but if this is their "reasoning", it was over before it started, even though these knives were allowed to enter the country.



go to hell. that has nothing to do with this and you know it. if you want to hate on obama, go do it in the appropriate section.
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Mind posting the PDF on rapidshare or mediafire for the rest of us? I can't seem to get it off kniferights.org.
 
p_mcmanis said:
go to hell. that has nothing to do with this and you know it. if you want to hate on obama, go do it in the appropriate section.
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I'm not hating on him, I'm stating that America has voted in the ENTIRE administration who has views adversely beneficial to America. Obama can't make anything happen by himself, he's just one man in a sea of government, he has tiny effects on the big picture. I'm not saying he is responsible, I'm saying this is what America has voted for, and now we have to accept it.

And don't tell me to go to hell, if you want me to respect your views, don't attack me to start of your response.
 
I apologize for not reading all 63 pages of that document to get my answers, but I don't have the patience for it.

1) Does this law simply mean AO knives can no longer be imported into the U.S?

or does it also mean that AO knives can no longer be

2) CARRIED

or

3) OWNED?

And will this supersede current state laws?

If the law only says that they can't import them into the U.S. anymore, I'm not worried, because I already have my fill of AOs.
 
tom19176 said:
This goes beyond AOs! It includes any knife that can be flicked open by a simple wrist flick !!!!!
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This is really sad here. All they have to do is find one LEO who can seriously put some wrist action on any knife and you can dang near 'flip' it open. Hell, I can snap open a Buck 110 if I grab the blade and flip...:rolleyes:
 
lets not jump on each other's views as we are all knife collectors. It seems that they have been leading up to this for a few years by not allowing certain AOs into the country, but they have not decided to ban them outright and have sent letters to makers who they have allowed to import before, and told them they can no longer import.
 
dcycleman said:
why cant people be left alone??
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Boggles the mind does it not.

Simply put, there are just some people that cannot be happy unless they are telling someone else what to do, and sadly for us all, they tend to gravitate towards positions of political power.
 
This present situation concerns importation and transportation accross statelines ( before you say "no" it does and homeland security is doing that part of it). State and local laws still cover possession and carry in all but certain federal holdings, BUT many state and local laws use the Federal defintion as a refererence in Case law, so this has many possible effects.
 
A_Blade_Afficionado said:
I'm not hating on him, I'm stating that America has voted in the ENTIRE administration who has views adversely beneficial to America. Obama can't make anything happen by himself, he's just one man in a sea of government, he has tiny effects on the big picture. I'm not saying he is responsible, I'm saying this is what America has voted for, and now we have to accept it.

And don't tell me to go to hell, if you want me to respect your views, don't attack me to start of your response.
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I gave up nearly a year ago trying to reason with people who use the word socialist to describe barack obama. its like trying to have a conversation abou the evolution of species with someone's whos first words are "the earth is 6000 years old". I frankly dont care what you think about me or my views, because I know that it is not the policy of anyone who tries to politicize the actions of a government agency that is still overwhelming filled with previous appointees (of course, most of the posistions are held by civil servants, although the relevant ones are not) to care about the issues. If you did, you wouldnt have made that comment in the first place.

Anyway here is what you need to know from the pdf:

this notice advises interested
parties that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP)
intends to revoke four ruling letters relating to the admissibility,
pursuant to the Switchblade Knife Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1241–1245 (and
the CBP Regulations promulgated pursuant thereto set forth in 19
CFR §§ 12.95–12.103) of certain knives with spring-assisted opening
mechanisms.
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so they are going to toss all of their previous cases in which they allowed the importation of a/o knives because they had determined they were not switchblades. these rulings also went into detail about detents, and they used the existence of detents or backwards pressure from a spring to exclude one handed openers as "gravity knives".

those rulings are gone too, which is why ritter said this could have a BIG impact. it would seem that at the very least axis locks / arc locks / etc are going to be targets of this.

I thought I would point this out as well:

SnarlSlayer said:
From Doug Ritter:

PROPOSED U.S. RULE WOULD MAKE MANY POCKETKNIVES ILLEGAL

This email is just a heads up to Knife Rights members and supporters about a very critical and important development that jeopardizes your right to own and carry pocket knives. PLEASE DO NOT ACT YET! Word is reaching the street via forums and other means and we want to make sure the true facts are known as there are many inaccurate rumors circulating. Many of the emails we have received are inaccurate or full of hyperbole. Any knee jerk or inappropriate reaction will endanger our cause, not help it. Please wait until your organization has developed appropriate and effective responses in order that you are taken seriously by the relevant authorities. I cannot overemphasize how critical this is, DO NOT WRITE YET, PLEASE!
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he's right you know, getting angry doesnt solve the issue. strive first to understand what is going on, write your letter, and then edit it down even further. no one is going to take you seriously if you write something saying

"you stupid ****s are so stupid why u do this? I lurv a/o knives I use one all the time!". because as stupid as we all think politicians are, they think doubly of us, and this is exactly what they read unless what you write is really well thought ought.
 
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