Feds ban Assisted openers and Flick knives

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Things I have on me or in my vehicle at some point at almost anytime,that can be deployed quickly and dangerous.
My ink pen,
My pocket screwdriver,
My keys,

Anyhow, maybe If they all so scared of Dangerous Americans,They should just pass a law to keep our thumbs taped down.
 
Things I have on me or in my vehicle at some point at almost anytime,that can be deployed quickly and dangerous.
My ink pen,
My pocket screwdriver,
My keys,

Anyhow, maybe If they all so scared of Dangerous Americans,They should just pass a law to keep our thumbs taped down.

You forgot your vehicle itself. If I am driving, it is pretty easy to change direction into something I want trashed isn't it?
 
My crappy interpretation basically says, "One hand knives are switchblades" or pretty close to that. If that's not what it says, that's how it will end up soon.

Thta's only part of it. Because of their expanded definition of gravity and intertia knives, most folders could, theoretically, be included, because it would allow the old trick of holding the blade and flicking open the handle. There are very few knives that cannot be opened this way, especially by someone who has practiced.
 
It is not something to be passed !! Customs and Homeland Security make determinations that are then law until overturned in court! Therefore as per importation this is in effect NOW ! The letter they sent out to importers said they are NOW not allowed to import these anymore.

Not exactly. They have issued this as a proposal with a 30-day comment period. We are working to gain an exttension and [probably will succeed. Then we will be able to offer arguments against it. It is NOT a done deal.
 
Thanks Doug. The letters had a July date for the start, but I must have missed any part that stated there is still a way to fight it. Are the big boys on it ( Gerber, Kershaw, Sog, Buck, and the other AO impoters)? I guess any knife maker with a knife that can be flicked for the matter?
 
It's very disappointing to be part of a generation that is criminalizing the things we grew up enjoying and taking part in. It's sad to think of things my son will not be able to enjoy 10 years from now.

I'll keep my eye on this thread for the finalized letter.

Thanks for posting this.
 
Synopsis

Pursuant to the Act of August 12, 1958 (Pub. L. 85–623, codified at 15 U.S.C. §§ 1241–1245, otherwise known as the ‘‘Switchblade Knife Act’’), whoever knowingly introduces, or manufactures for introduction, into interstate commerce, or transports or distributes in interstate commerce, any switchblade knife, shall be fined or imprisoned, or both.

The Customs and Border Protection (‘‘CBP’’) Regulations promulgated pursuant
to the Switchblade Knife Act are set forth in 19 CFR §§ 12.95–12.103.
In this regard we note the following definitions:
§ 12.95 Definitions.
Terms as used in §§ 12.96 through 12.103 of this part are defined as follows:
(a) Switchblade knife. . . . any imported knife, . . . including ‘‘Balisong’’,
‘‘butterfly’’ . . . knives, which has one or more of the following
characteristics or identities:
(1) A blade which opens automatically by hand pressure applied to
a button or device in the handle of the knife, or any knife with a blade which opens automatically by operation of inertia, gravity,
or both;

(2) Knives which, by insignificant preliminary preparation, as described
in paragraph (b) of this section, can be altered or converted
so as to open automatically by hand pressure applied to
a button or device in the handle of the knife or by operation of
inertia, gravity, or both;
(3) Unassembled knife kits or knife handles without blades which,
when fully assembled with added blades, springs, or other
parts, are knives which open automatically by hand pressure
applied to a button or device in the handle of the knife or by operation
of inertia, gravity, or both; or
(4) Knives with a detachable blade that is propelled by a springoperated
mechanism, and components thereof.

. . .

PRIOR RULING

We have carefully examined the eight knives which you have submitted.
These knives are substantially similar in operation to the knives in HQ
116315. We find that the subject knives are not switchblade knives within
the meaning of 19 CFR § 12.96(a)(1) in that the blades do not open automatically by hand pressure applied to a button or device in the handle of the knife (there is no opening device on the handle), nor do the knives open automatically by operation of inertia or gravity. We further find that the knives have a blade style designed for a primary utilitarian use within the meaning of 19 CFR § 12.95(c).

(However the prior rulings being reversed did not engage in a lot of analysis over what "inertial opening" means)


NEW RULING / REVERSAL 4/30/09

Knives equipped with spring- and release-assisted opening mechanisms
are knives which ‘‘require[ ] some human manipulation in order to create or
unleash the force of ‘‘gravity’’ or ‘‘inertia’’ which makes the opening ‘‘automatic.’’ ’’ See Taylor, supra. The fact that they differ in design (most if not all are equipped with thumb studs affixed to the base of the blunt side of the blade) from a traditional switchblade (in which the button that activates the spring mechanism is located in the handle of the knife), the spring-assisted mechanisms cause, via inertia, the blades of such knives to open fully for instant use, potentially as a weapon.

The knives at issue open via inertia – once pressure is applied to the
thumb stud (or protrusion at the base of the blade), the blade continues in
inertial motion (caused by the combined effect of manual and springassisted
pressure) until it is stopped by the locking mechanism of the knife.
Such knives open instantly for potential use as a weapon. We therefore conclude, in consideration of the authorities and sources Switchblade Knife Act and implementing regulations, that the knives with spring-and release- assisted opening mechanisms, that such knives are described and prohibited
by 15 U.S.C. § 1241(b)(2) and 19 CFR Part 12.95(a)(1).

We therefore find that knives with spring-assisted opening mechanisms
that require minimal ‘‘human manipulation’’ in order to instantly spring the
blades to the fully open and locked position cannot be considered to have a primary utilitarian purpose; such articles function as prohibited switchblade knives as defined by the relevant statute and regulations.

===============================================

This is a tough one
- both spring-assisted and non-assisted flipper knives are manufactured with the intent that they be opened by overcoming inertia. Unassisted knives with thumbstuds or thumbholes could fall within the classification as well, if they have liner-locks or Axis-lock which lend themselves to inertial opening smooth enough to arguably be "automatic." That would be harder to apply to lockback knives however because of the greater resistance that needs to be overcome to open the knife.

- the exemption for "utility" knives offers some hope, but it comes from the CFRs not from the statute, so that's pretty discretionary and hard to challenge. The best way to do so would be to have trade organizations argue that smooth one-handed opening is an important asset in a utility knife. I would guess the rejoinder to be "ok fine one-hand lockbacks provide that without being as scarily 'automatic' as flippers/flickers, so we'll let yu keep the lockbacks."

The best way to address it would be to somehow convince Congress to repeal the switchblade law as dumb and obsolete - but, good luck with that . . . . . .
 
Thta's only part of it. Because of their expanded definition of gravity and intertia knives, most folders could, theoretically, be included, because it would allow the old trick of holding the blade and flicking open the handle. There are very few knives that cannot be opened this way, especially by someone who has practiced.

I think that based upon the analysis of the term "automatic" in the letter, the feds would be hard-pressed to say that "opening by holding the blade and flicking open, then switching the grip to the handle" (i.e. the Spydie-drop) is sufficiently instantaneous to constitute "automatic."
 
What it it about keeping the political carp out of a knife forum that is so hard to understand.

There will be no more warnings.
 
Thta's only part of it. Because of their expanded definition of gravity and intertia knives, most folders could, theoretically, be included, because it would allow the old trick of holding the blade and flicking open the handle. There are very few knives that cannot be opened this way, especially by someone who has practiced.

Wow. So who would be the approval authority on this? What if I'm an all thumbs klutz and it takes me both hands to open a thumbhole knife? What if the arresting officer is a Spyderco fanatic and can pop my knife open standing on his head blindfolded with his weak hand?

Wouldn't this be equivalent to banning a gun that can hit a target at a given distance? Is it the user not the mechnical design that then makes the item illegal?
 
Ladies and gentlemen, first of all, I am moving this to Knife Laws where it should have been all along.

Most importantly, I am going to go back through this entire thread handing out warnings and infractions where appropriate for those of you who cannot hold a contentious discussion without being vulgar or insulting or inappropriate.

This will have been in the General Knife Discussion, and despite the efforts of a few to ask you to keep it so, some felt compelled to politicize it. Not cool.

With anything this important, the first necessary step is to gather information, that is, read the material provided. Next, think about it and discuss what it means. Next, think about what we can do.

Too many of you learned to shoot the old-fashioned way: Ready, fire! ... aim ... Calm down and find your real target, and do not make your fellow members targets again.
 
Such knives open instantly for potential use as a weapon. We therefore conclude, in consideration of the authorities and sources Switchblade Knife Act and implementing regulations, that the knives with spring-and release- assisted opening mechanisms, that such knives are described and prohibited
by 15 U.S.C. § 1241(b)(2) and 19 CFR Part 12.95(a)(1).

Sad that such a blanket statement can be made like this.
 
stevekt, in NY the case law has stated if the officer can demonstrate the knife is a gravity knife, then the state has met it burden of proof, since the person charged would have no desire to flick the knife open or admit he knew it could be flicked open. I had showed many a person that the knife he tought was legal was not in NY, but I then told them to take it home and not carry it, while today you would be arrested in NY at least...
 
Thta's only part of it. Because of their expanded definition of gravity and intertia knives, most folders could, theoretically, be included, because it would allow the old trick of holding the blade and flicking open the handle. There are very few knives that cannot be opened this way, especially by someone who has practiced.

I got the same impression because they are repealing a case where they determined that having a detent disqualified the knife from being a switchblade since it was discouraging opening from inertia.

Is the real reason for why they are doing this and why they are doing it now known? And this question is specifically for Mr. Ritter.
 
I normally hate political sh!t, but does anyone else find it ridiculous that our government is more worried about it's civilians being protected if tshtf than when a f!@king plane crashes into a building, or when there are nukes being tested/launched from other countries?

Serious trust issues if you ask me.

I really think all knife laws should be tossed out, um even if "switchblades" were legal I doubt many people would have 'em. Last time I checked decent autos cost a couple hundred. I'm sure society would figure it out if they just dropped knife laws in general, and reasonable knife "limitations" would be made. People are always going to get hurt by knives and a variety of other objects so what's the point of making them all illegal? Criminals are going to get a hold of them somehow anyway.

This nation is being led by a bunch of scared pansies. How about focusing more on teaching kids in school about the responsibility of knives/guns instead of trying to ban everything that looks like a weapon? I think a little common sense will go a long way.
 
I have not read all of the pages here, but my question is, who do we write to to protest effectively?
 
We have to repeal that old switchblade act from the late fifties, and allow anybody to carry whatever the hell the want –from whoever can make it.

It even says in the 1958 switchblade act that -they are only banning the switchblades because they are a "thug style weapon, which only thugs carry" (paraphrase). Yah, maybe in Hollywood!

Does anybody know a thug who carries a 500 dollar Protech Godfather? No, respectable people own switchblades, and the cheap Mexico ones aren’t worth a damn anyways.

It also says in the old act that the "primary use of a switchblade is combat/ defensive and not utilitarian therefore they should be illegal." Since when did Americans not have the right to defend themselves with combat/defensive weapons?

Soon enough, guns will only be allowed to hold one bullet, and non-kitchen knives will be illegal.

“LIVE FREE OR DIE”
 
Here we go again. For the benefit of those who only post but do not read: we have a Political Arena for political discussion. Work up a legitimate political topic and take it there. Do not post political discussions in Whine & Cheese. Do not under any circumstances beat on each other here. More infractions on the way for those who don't read!
 
... They would lobby like crazy before that would happen, and I'll bet our government would step in and back them because they don't want the unemployment rate to get even worse by putting all those manufacturers out on the street...


More people depend on the .gov for everyday stuff the easier they can stay in power. It's becoming more of an use versus them society.

Just a little hint... There are more of them than us and they are politically active and VERY vocal.
 
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