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Fehrman Knives - First Strike vs. Final Judgment
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Baldtaco is entitled to his opinion and he may have come across a little too divisive, but I don't think he meant to tarnish the Ferhman's or their knives...he's a quality member here; but you're right gunknifenut, this probably does belong in the Whine and Cheese. We all love the outdoors and regardless of our religion, race, creed or gender; let's just focus on the knives and not the religions of others. Damn! I sound like a moderatorWhere's Brian when you need him
ROCK6
ROCK...I know that BT is a member here that has been great to deal with ..but here..just like real life, if you speak out of turn..or say something really dumb..I think you should be told this. I am a boss..I have to always wonder..."am I being a jerk?" But in this instance..I am right. I will keep my grudge..because a man that makes a comment like this..has no feeling for a good portion of the OTHER members here...thats my take on it. And I am right.
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Fehrman knives are top shelf. I have the First strike (satin) and the Shadow Scout (satin), both are outstanding bledes. The fit and finish on both knives is perfect, they hold an edge very well and seem to be very tough without loosing cutting ability. I use the SS all the time as it is a very easy knife to carry (got a basic sheath made). The FS, is a great do all knife, but these days I tend to carry 2-3 knives, so it doesn't get as much use.
If I were you I would probably go for the FJ and a smaller knife. Whatever you decide, you can't go wrong, great knives and good service.
If I were you I would probably go for the FJ and a smaller knife. Whatever you decide, you can't go wrong, great knives and good service.
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So if the First Strike is a bit lacking in chopping ability, how does the Final Judgment hold up (for those who have or use it)?
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I cant help you..I never owned one..but the First strike was only lacking "just",,,,so I wonder how awesome the Final Judgement is ?!
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Baldtaco is entitled to his opinion and he may have come across a little too divisive, but I don't think he meant to tarnish the Ferhman's or their knives...he's a quality member here; but you're right gunknifenut, this probably does belong in the Whine and Cheese. We all love the outdoors and regardless of our religion, race, creed or gender; let's just focus on the knives and not the religions of others. Damn! I sound like a moderator
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ROCK6, hey
Thanks for that dude, you are exactly correct, I had no intention of tarnishing the knives of anyone. In fact I wrote that I quite likes some designs, and wrote that I believed his reputation as a maker is second to none. How anyone could construe that to mean something different beggars belief.
As to the religious thing, yeah it is divisive and yeah it is more of a W&C thing. The fact of it is though it wasn't really me that brought it up. I didn't write that web page, and it wasn't me that inextricably wound religion into the making of those knives. The person seeing fit to link them was the maker not me. Those that would shoot the messenger are missing something in all that. I just pointed it out. It's no different in my mind to discussion quality watches on gadgets and gear and someone flagging up that a maker offers up some extreme Islamic views on their watches website. Last, I didn't even come close to saying others should steer clear, in fact I wrote it might make no difference to you or even may make them more attractive. I simply pointed out a what is, and my reaction to it. Ho hum, that anyone else would like to willfully misconstrue my flagging up what a maker wrote about his own work and motivations, and let that burst forth in a shocking outburst of bad manners, exerts about the same amount of impact on me as a vomit dribbling piss stained tramp on the underground calling me a masturbator because I won't give him ten pence. Happily those of you I do value here appear to get my intent, and seemingly at least, remain deliciously unperturbed.
Thanks again amigo.
Thanks for that dude, you are exactly correct, I had no intention of tarnishing the knives of anyone. In fact I wrote that I quite likes some designs, and wrote that I believed his reputation as a maker is second to none. How anyone could construe that to mean something different beggars belief.
As to the religious thing, yeah it is divisive and yeah it is more of a W&C thing. The fact of it is though it wasn't really me that brought it up. I didn't write that web page, and it wasn't me that inextricably wound religion into the making of those knives. The person seeing fit to link them was the maker not me. Those that would shoot the messenger are missing something in all that. I just pointed it out. It's no different in my mind to discussion quality watches on gadgets and gear and someone flagging up that a maker offers up some extreme Islamic views on their watches website. Last, I didn't even come close to saying others should steer clear, in fact I wrote it might make no difference to you or even may make them more attractive. I simply pointed out a what is, and my reaction to it. Ho hum, that anyone else would like to willfully misconstrue my flagging up what a maker wrote about his own work and motivations, and let that burst forth in a shocking outburst of bad manners, exerts about the same amount of impact on me as a vomit dribbling piss stained tramp on the underground calling me a masturbator because I won't give him ten pence. Happily those of you I do value here appear to get my intent, and seemingly at least, remain deliciously unperturbed.
Thanks again amigo.
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So there you go..you got to have your argument over the whole thing..this is the desired effect of a comment like yours..and you got your wish..
You ticked someone off..then after they point that out..you claim they are somehow not as insightful as you, or that you "didnt quite mean it like that". Wow..this isnt done here a thousand times a day. HO-hum.
A little OT, but I have a day off and the coffee is kicking in
I understand your point of view and have to balance the same thing. I've been in the Army over twenty years and have seen several things change...some good and some not so good. Religion (specifically Christianity) is a part of our (American) culture whether you care for it or not...it's just a fact. Tolerance is also a big shift we've made, which is a good thing but tolerating abuse or personall attacks is as bad as standing by seeing someone get mugged and doing nothing (referencing your initial repsonse which I can understand). As a commander/leader, you have to be neutral regarding the several religions our Soldiers hold dear...LDS, Protestant, Catholic, Islamic, Wiccan, etc. I am a Christian, but I can't let my personal views impact my evaluation and treatment of my troopers...I don't care if they dance around trees in the spring or play with snakes in the chapel (as long as it's not illegal); I must focus on their performance, conduct and our very simple, but important Army Values. Sounds cheesy, but it's all about dignity, respect and tolerance. If a troopers performance is lacking or they get into to trouble, my hammer is purely an equal opportunist
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Well, I do disagree a tad on this...you posted the link. Any maker of any product has the right to post their values; we as the consumer can make an issue of it, move on or disregard (I never even new about that link the first time I bought a Ferhman knife). Knives and fighting implements from ancient times often had religion incorporated into their forging and making (at least Hollywood makes it so
). Religion is a personal thing and when somebody puts plenty of sweat, hard labor, time and sometimes even a little blood into a something they love to do, I have no issues with them displaying their values. Again, it's my choice to purchase the product in the end, however I must remain tolerable and base my opinions solely on the product's performance and not get wrapped up into the maker's personal religious points of view or philosophies. Again, I'm in a business where I must divest myself from my personal prejudices (as long as there are no violations of anything immoral, unethical or illegal) and focus on performance. It’s okay to point out the difference, but not to pass judgment.I've strayed waaay off topic, but at the end of the day, we must respect others' points of view even as we must stand up for our own, but we must at least attempt to refrain from making judgments of products based on the maker's religion, race, gender or creed...the individual consumer must make that choice not us.
I'll keep my own ultra rightwing, Christian-Conservatism in my pocket...it has no place in combat or outdoors nor should we get too wrapped up in it here in WSS.
Just my over-caffeinated point of view...and regardless of Fehrman's religion, they make great knives!
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Relax, everyone. This is not a religion forum, nor is it the Good, Bad, and Ugly forum, so off this thread goes to GBU...
First, no one needs to get beat up in the forums on my account. Its simply not necessary. I appreciate the kind words here of many, I am not at all offended with those that don't share our worldview.
The freedom to believe what you choose to believe is what baptists call "Individual Soul Liberty" which I wholeheartedly affirm.
Everyone does what they do for a reason. We all work for a paycheck but their are additional things that motivate us. For some its the pride of a job well done, for some its to receive the praise of others. There are different motivators for everyone. A prime motivator for me, my company, and many of my toolmakers is that we want to produce quality work so that it reflects well on our Lord. I view every day and every job as an act of worship to Jesus Christ. Some of my best days are those when I feel I have represented Him well. My worst days are those when I have represented Him poorly... unfortunately I fail more than I care to admit.
We don't plaster our faith on every page of our website, but seeing that it is a key motivator for us, I feel as if it would almost be dishonest not to mention it somewhere so we reserve one page to discus our faith and our values. Some appreciate the faith statement and some do not. Some customers are enthused to learn of our faith, some are turned off. We understand it cuts both ways and I'm fine with that. I'm not ashamed of who I am and what Christ has done for me... I am simply a beggar trying to tell others where I found bread, take it for what its worth.
I hope that clarifies the issue a little. Feel free to agree or disagree, that's the beauty of America!
PS: Regarding our sheaths. I think we have done a nice job with our kydex and I feel pretty good about them. We have a lady in Kentucky do our leatherwork and I think our pouch style sheaths for our smaller knives are sweet. Many customers also like our leather sheaths for our bigger knives but I agree they seem bulky to some. We are hoping to offer some other leather options later this year.
Respectfully,
Eric Fehrman
The freedom to believe what you choose to believe is what baptists call "Individual Soul Liberty" which I wholeheartedly affirm.
Everyone does what they do for a reason. We all work for a paycheck but their are additional things that motivate us. For some its the pride of a job well done, for some its to receive the praise of others. There are different motivators for everyone. A prime motivator for me, my company, and many of my toolmakers is that we want to produce quality work so that it reflects well on our Lord. I view every day and every job as an act of worship to Jesus Christ. Some of my best days are those when I feel I have represented Him well. My worst days are those when I have represented Him poorly... unfortunately I fail more than I care to admit.
We don't plaster our faith on every page of our website, but seeing that it is a key motivator for us, I feel as if it would almost be dishonest not to mention it somewhere so we reserve one page to discus our faith and our values. Some appreciate the faith statement and some do not. Some customers are enthused to learn of our faith, some are turned off. We understand it cuts both ways and I'm fine with that. I'm not ashamed of who I am and what Christ has done for me... I am simply a beggar trying to tell others where I found bread, take it for what its worth.
I hope that clarifies the issue a little. Feel free to agree or disagree, that's the beauty of America!
PS: Regarding our sheaths. I think we have done a nice job with our kydex and I feel pretty good about them. We have a lady in Kentucky do our leatherwork and I think our pouch style sheaths for our smaller knives are sweet. Many customers also like our leather sheaths for our bigger knives but I agree they seem bulky to some. We are hoping to offer some other leather options later this year.
Respectfully,
Eric Fehrman
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I find it sad how someone had to turn a good, informative thread into a Christian-bashing one. It wasn't called for and had nothing to do with the topic at hand. I was interested in the quality of Ferhman knives as I plan to purchase one later in the year and what started as a good thread went downhill quick due to the childishness of one person. It happens on every board though so I guess I really wasn't that surprised. What does the man's religious views have to do with the quality of his knives? Wouldn't it be nice to just stay on topic once without it turning into a political-religious-whatever shouting match? Grow up for God's sake.
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Thanks for replying. Regarding your sheaths, have their been any modifications or adjustments to the kydex recently to address any problems or concerns as indicated in this thread? In researching Bladeforums for information on Fehrman Knives, concerns about the sheaths has been something that has come up more than once.
It's a pleasure to see you here Eric; thanks for responding to the thread. (Edit: I meant in the W+S forum - just realized the thread has moved...)
I too wonder if you have changed the kydex design? I did find it on the flimsy side, as did its previous owner. It does come in handy strapped into my pack though.
The knives, as I said, are absolutely top quality. Very nice work indeed!
P.s. I understand and agree with your comments regarding your beliefs and your sharing of them. I don't see a problem myself.
I too wonder if you have changed the kydex design? I did find it on the flimsy side, as did its previous owner. It does come in handy strapped into my pack though.
The knives, as I said, are absolutely top quality. Very nice work indeed!
P.s. I understand and agree with your comments regarding your beliefs and your sharing of them. I don't see a problem myself.
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I wonder if you are seeing some older versions? To be honest, I always thought our Kydex sheaths were pretty decent but earlier this year we switched to a heavier kydex that is now .090" thick. That combined with a generous amount of rivets makes for a pretty solid sheath.
If you are unhappy with your sheath, send it back to me and I will send you a new one ASAP.
Respectfully,
Eric Fehrman
