Unfortunaltly it isnt legal to carry a sidearm around my area, I used to walk my dog in a forested area full of coyotes and have had run ins a few times. I had good luck with a 21" ASP baton (killed 2) and can a saber dog defence ("human" strength isnt legal for non LEO) works ok for groups of 2 or 3 if you have a spray that uses a cone pattern.
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I got attacked by a group of dogs once while mountan biking in the national forest (very remote location, where any medical help would not be available!). There were 2 pit bulls and one other large mut. Luckily, they cornered me with my back to a cliff, so at least I didn't have to defend my backside. I managed to hold them off by keeping the bike between myself and them, but they were very good at one attacking from one side while I was defending the other.
The owners (a couple tweaker looking types that were probably up to no good!) showed up after several minutes, and got them off me. I exercised a lot of restraint, but to this day I regret not shooting them......
The owners (a couple tweaker looking types that were probably up to no good!) showed up after several minutes, and got them off me. I exercised a lot of restraint, but to this day I regret not shooting them......
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Expandable batons will get non-LEO a felony charge in CA. In general, Californians aren't allowed to carry blunt instruments as a weapon. It's important to keep this in mind while in this goofy state. If you ever have to defend with a blunt instrument, make sure it's something that you could arguably have for reasons other than self-defense. So that hiking staff is because you keep twisting your ankle, NOT because you want a first line of defense against dogs and two-legged snakes.
I have no idea how the law in CA would view that steel whip posted previously in this thread, but I'm pretty sure that at a minimum it will cost you lots of money in lawyer bills in you were ever caught with it in this state.
I have no idea how the law in CA would view that steel whip posted previously in this thread, but I'm pretty sure that at a minimum it will cost you lots of money in lawyer bills in you were ever caught with it in this state.
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Therein lies the rub in California...in the desert there are lots of things with teeth and bad attitude that don't want you there. In the County I live I am lucky to be able to carry a knife (that sounds funny because in NV I carried a knife, gun and kubaton like most here carry c phones) and they are not the best defense against anything...period.
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Most rural CA counties allow "target shooting"! It is not illegal to have a loaded (but unconcealed) weapon in these areas.
You can also have a loaded firearm in your campsite or your motel room, same as on your own property (it is your "property" while you are occupying it). You can carry an unloaded cased and locked (but with the keys right there ready to go!) handgun sitting next to you on the seat of your car (with a speed loader right next to it)!!! You can carry an unloaded (but concealed) long gun in your vehicle.....
Get the book "How to Own a Gun and Stay Out of Jail", by John Machtinger. He is a defense attorney who specializes in such things. You would be surprised at how you can string together exceptions to the laws, that will allow you to legally have a firearm close at hand virtually everywhere you go!!!
You can also have a loaded firearm in your campsite or your motel room, same as on your own property (it is your "property" while you are occupying it). You can carry an unloaded cased and locked (but with the keys right there ready to go!) handgun sitting next to you on the seat of your car (with a speed loader right next to it)!!! You can carry an unloaded (but concealed) long gun in your vehicle.....
Get the book "How to Own a Gun and Stay Out of Jail", by John Machtinger. He is a defense attorney who specializes in such things. You would be surprised at how you can string together exceptions to the laws, that will allow you to legally have a firearm close at hand virtually everywhere you go!!!
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Yes, there are all kinds of ways to tap-dance around the crappy firearm laws in this state. I think it's deplorable that any law-abiding citizen should have to perform that dance.
There are two Californias; rural California and the rest of it.
Roughly 60% of the counties in CA are very nearly "shall issue" for concealed weapons permits. These are the rural counties, and if someone lives in one of those counties, is a law-abiding citizen with no criminal history or problems with drugs/alchohol, and DOES NOT have a concealed weapons permit, I think they're a damn fool.
However, over 70% of the CA population lives in counties where Concealed Weapons permits are either not available at all, or are only available to the personal pets of the county sheriff. There are many abuses in these counties where the concealed weapons permit system is concerned. 14th amendment equal protection lawsuits are currently on the rise in those counties as a result.
Looking further afield, over 40 U.S. states are now shall-issue, or better, on concealed weapons permits. Anyone who is eligible for those permits and who does not have one is also, in my opinion, a damn fool. I say this as someone who has had his 2A rights stripped away from him for no good reason other than I happen to live in a county where the sheriff is an elitist authoritarian politician. (I'm being polite).
Even if you don't want to carry a gun when you leave your house, get your CCW permit. Think of it as fire insurance. It takes time to get a CCW, but if you ever find that you need one, you'll need it in a hurry. Certainly you'll need it faster than the system will get it to you. But beyond that, a right unexercised is a right denied. We ended up with all the bad firearm laws in this country, including the requirement for CCW permits (if you can even get a permit), because our forefathers got lazy and allowed those laws to be passed.
That said, no matter what, my point remains regarding blunt instruments in California. Carrying one with the sole intention of using it as a weapon is a felony in in this state, unless you are LEO. ALWAYS have a non-weapon excuse for carrying that blunt instrument with you while in CA.
There are no non-weapons excuses for carrying things like collapsing batons, saps, billy clubs, etc.
Yes, these are just another set of laws that really need to go away. But mostly people in CA who think about such things are more worried about the firearm laws right now.
Personally, I like to hike with a good strong hiking staff. I do this because many years ago while backpacking I rolled my ankle and now I'm prone to twisting it. That the staff happens to also be useful for fending off feral dogs and two-legged snakes is besides the point.... (See how that works?)
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Thanks man! I'll pick up the book.
But as for the caveats in carrying loaded with a lockbox, speed loaders, etc...I might as well ask whatever the problem is "Hey can you hold on a sec, I have an HK in the box, just gimme a minute" no thanks.
Bulgron you are right a million percent on the post regarding gun laws in CA, its a highly contested bit of legislation.
I think the hiking staff is the best bet, I would love to hear from someone who has one of those Cold Steel African staffs.
Now that would be sweet revenge for your older lab! She could lie on the coyote rug and maybe even take a pee on it every now and then
Feral dogs worry me more than feral cats from the attack perspective. Here on the farm if it crosses out fencline it's fair game no matter what month it isYeah I'd regret not shooting a couple tweekers if I had the chance myself:thumbup: Then let their dogs have them for lunch and ride off into a beautiful California sunset knowing I had done my part to cleanup the trash in the wilds. Speaking of tweekers, I'm just as afraid of running into them and their wilderness meth labs as I am of a pack of feral dogs. At least with the tweekers I'll shoot first and ask for id afterwards.
Nothing pisses me off more than what tweekers are doing to backcountry watersheds with their clandistine labs:grumpy: I say there should be a 24/7/365 open season on their butts
Trust me I don't fear the law when it comes to my rights vs those of a tweeker. Sounds like that would make a nice vacation from Tax jersey...tweeker hunting trip....not that this state does'nt have it's share of them
i never got attacked by a pack of dogs but a few years back i remember seeing(atleast the remains and later hearing about it in the newspaper) a beautiful irish setter killed and partially ate by a group of feral dogs. i knew two of the four were pitt bulls. either way it was a horrific site. btw i dont like the stereotype that pittbulls are "mean" or "bad" dogs, along with dobermans and rottweilers also. that ticks me off
The fact 40% of all fatal dog attacks are by PB's or PB crosses even though they are less than 7% of the total dog population should mean something.
Dont give me the bad owner BS as many breeds have bad owners and they dont kill like PB'S. How do you expalin the perfect owner whos Pit kills?
They are wired wrong plain and simple.
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Guns don't kill people, bullets do or is it triggers? I forget.
...the vast majority of Pits are great dogs.
I live in the country on the outskirts of a city (near Austin TX) and we get dogs dumped out here because of people that can't handle their responsibility. These are the dogs that turn into feral dogs. It's very pitiful, at first the dogs hang around the site looking at cars thinking their people have come back for them. I've adopted dogs that wandered up in the past and have had some great dogs. Some of them absolutely know they were rejected and are very loyal and good pets because they don't want it happening again. I've also had to shoot a few that were too far gone wild or overly aggressive.
Fortunately it doesn't happen much anymore, spay and neuter PSAs, better animal control, and no questions animal shelters have helped a lot. Actually, right now I want another dog. I'm down to one great big ol goofball Rhodesian Ridgeback. We lost our other dog (an abused, dumped Tennessee Walker hound dog - sweetest dog I've ever had) last summer and Bella needs a friend.
Fortunately it doesn't happen much anymore, spay and neuter PSAs, better animal control, and no questions animal shelters have helped a lot. Actually, right now I want another dog. I'm down to one great big ol goofball Rhodesian Ridgeback. We lost our other dog (an abused, dumped Tennessee Walker hound dog - sweetest dog I've ever had) last summer and Bella needs a friend.
I had what I assumed was a feral dog run straight at me aggressively while grouse hunting. He got to the point where I shouldered my 870, but he must of sniffed what was up. He barely avoided a face full of lead. Perhaps I should have spared the next woods traveler the stress.
first off i dont know how they could even calculate that 40% were pitt bull related. perhaps those are the majority of people that come out and report it...bad owners are definitely going to have something to do with it and im sure most of the people here would agree with me. im sure genetics have something to do with it too, and there is no magical gene that pitt bulls have that other dogs dont. and to explain the pitt bull with perfect owners, well like i said that happens with all dog breeds but since they have a bad reputation they're all that your going to hear about. i remember up near my camp a supposively docile golden retriever killed a young girl but the word didnt spread around
The way I look at it is simple. You cant fault a Lab for retrieving your socks from the bedroom floor or a beagle for running down a scent for 12 hrs. You have no choice but to fault the history of PB breeding for there negative genetic traits.
While most PB's dont cause any trouble the breed was intended for one purpose and you just dont shut off mother nature that easily. I dont blame the dogs I blame history. Doesnt change anything they are still highly unpredictable and dangerous when they do attack. While most breeds bite and let go PB's tend to finish what they started with devastating results.
I am tired of hearing the same ole song and dance from PB owners. "my pup has never shown any signs of agression or bit anyone, it used to sleep with my newborn etc... blah blah" 2 hrs after it chewed a kids face off that was walking by its yard.
They are ticking bomb genetically that you as the owner dont know if the primer has been set. A bomb all the same why take the chance, I dont get it.
Skam
well we can agree on one thing for sure, and that is that they were indeed bred to fight(and kill). i am not big on stereotypes though and never once had a remotely bad experience with pitt bulls(in fact theyre little bundles of joy) and personally dont really have a reason to hate them. and as far as taking a chance in buying them, well there is many other dog breeds that i dream of getting ahead of them anyways so its not like i would get them. in order to get an opinion that counts you would have to ask someone that already has one like mneedham. ill stick with my rhodesian ridgeback, even if theyre bred to kill lions in africa