Feral dogs

[one_half_wuff]

Yes, a user of meth, or a meth lab freak is a tweeker And if we had a National Death Penalty i'd like to see them gather the tweekers and show the World what real cajones are by frying them a dozen at a time. Nothing is creepier than when the Sun goes down and the tweekers come out...just like the land of the zombies.

You must be TOTALLY out of the loop to have never heard the term...or live in a tiny town as yet unaffected by meth in the US. Thank your lucky stars!

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: No place is imune from that trash. I live in a very small quite little town ( pop 850) and there was a meth lab literally just around the corner from me. My oldest son got crossways with one of their family members at school and it got ugly. They threatened to have someone retaliate against him. They vandalized his car and reported him for something he didn't do. Their house burned down and their meth lab with it and they tried to implicate my son for setting the fire. A cop of questionable character was involved as well, he wasn't involved with the meth lab but he was trying to make a name for himself. It finally got sorted out when the Texas Rangers got involved and the owner of the house was arrested for arson for an insurance scam and trying to cover up the lab.

Wuff

 

[one_half_wuff]

Interesting.

What must be understood about all dog stats is most are just total numbers. When you factor in the number of dogs per breed per attack or bite the true stat becomes very apparent.

The most numerous dog breed in the USA is the Labrador retriever type or cross, next the Golden retriever type or cross.
In contrast a PB or Chow or Rot are a mere fraction of those breed in numbers however they account for an exponentially massive proportion of bites attacks and fatalities compared to other vastly more numerous breeds.

They are more disproportionately responsible for damage.

http://www.dogsbite.org/victim-realities-fatalities-2007.htm

Skam

What you say is very true and because those stats were being misused Texas ceased to publish them publicly.

I am a runner and have been chased by just about every common breed out there but have only been involved in three situations where the dogs were very very serious about biting me and two of the three encounters were labs (one of which succeeded and involved two labs at one time) the other a very large Rottie. Thank God for my Spyderco endura. He wanted a piece of me really badly and if I had run he would have but I stood my ground Spyderco Endura in hand. He made several attempts but not finding an easy opening finally relented and I eased away.

The thing that really pisses me off is that the owners were at home and most certainly heard the commotion and my yelling at him but did nothing. They had a Chow that came up and barked but thankfully kept his distance.

Wuff

 

[T. Erdelyi]

Hmm, I can't carry a gun here. Short of carrying a hammer poll tomahawk and a sharp knife, there's not much I could do against 4-5 wild dogs........

A Bear Spray and a good flexible walkin' stick, I've been attacked by feral dogs before and unless they're really sick they will back away from a bigger aggresive foe, (Humans) also they are not fond of pain and discomfort so bear spray will send them runnin'

 

[1Tracker]

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: No place is imune from that trash. I live in a very small quite little town ( pop 850) and there was a meth lab literally just around the corner from me. My oldest son got crossways with one of their family members at school and it got ugly. They threatened to have someone retaliate against him. They vandalized his car and reported him for something he didn't do. Their house burned down and their meth lab with it and they tried to implicate my son for setting the fire. A cop of questionable character was involved as well, he wasn't involved with the meth lab but he was trying to make a name for himself. It finally got sorted out when the Texas Rangers got involved and the owner of the house was arrested for arson for an insurance scam and trying to cover up the lab.

Wuff

Wuf, Those kinda' folks USED to be the same kind that were run out of town back in the day I guess I'm peeeved I was born 100 years to late to take 'em out with the trash:thumbup: Glad your son came out of it ok, the rest of the town should've backed up your family when it was going down and school, and pulled a moving van up in front of their house and left it parked across the street overnight...so they'd have got the message 2 things I can't stand, drug addicts and liars living near me....my neighbors nicknamed me 'the shooter' back when I lived down on the US/Mex Border Even they were afraid to come a' knockin' without calling over first

 

[sodak]

Yes, a user of meth, or a meth lab freak is a tweeker And if we had a National Death Penalty i'd like to see them gather the tweekers and show the World what real cajones are by frying them a dozen at a time. Nothing is creepier than when the Sun goes down and the tweekers come out...just like the land of the zombies.

If there was a box on the election ballot to check,'YES, DOUBLE my taxes if all tweekers are elminated', I'd check YES everytime!:thumbup:

You must be TOTALLY out of the loop to have never heard the term...or live in a tiny town as yet unaffected by meth in the US. Thank your lucky stars!

I must be! But then, I don't watch TV and am almost 50 years old. So I don't know much about popular culture these days - I had the same question about "bling" last year....

I might very well be out of the loop, but you want to get rid of tweakers, fine by me!

 

[tgiannes]

i found a snapped off cb radio antenna about 3 feet long. i carry that when i walk my dog.

 

[CanDo]

I haven't heard the term "tweeker" either. We're very lucky around here, people stick to drugs that only hurt themselves.


No, skammer, I'm not on crack. I'm not saying that this is morally right, but from a stoic perspective, "The owner of the dog has done its job and kept the dog in control. The owner of the child has not done its job and let it out of control. Therefore, it does not make sense to punish the dog or the dog's owner." I have a golden retriever and know that he would try to befriend any invaders. If, however, I wanted or needed a dog for protection of life and property (which is guaranteed by the Constitution), such as a pitbull, it would make sense for such a dog to be programmed to "eliminate threats real or perceived", it is then the owner's job to ensure that the dog can't pursue threats but must retroactively eliminate them, it is then everyone else's job to stay out of a yard that has a 200lb dog with big teeth. It is not the dog's responsibility to discern the difference between potential threats - it should always agree with its owner, and without the owner present, should treat everything as a threat. Human laws are meant to be enforced on humans.

If the situation were pitbulls invading another yard and killing children (or pets, as you mentioned) it would be a quite different story entirely.

What is my solution? I don't have one. Perhaps some measures of control should be enacted, but I would be extraordinarily cautious of preserving rights while doing so, and would start with the breeding programs not individual owners/animals.

 

[skammer]

I'm not saying that this is morally right, but from a stoic perspective, "The owner of the dog has done its job and kept the dog in control. The owner of the child has not done its job and let it out of control. .

I disagree with anyone who is ok with a child getting mauled for any reason.

There is no reason, no excuse, no rational. Its sick. If you own such an animal you shoud be charged and put away if anything happens. Dogs are supposed to be domesticated and live with humans, they must adapt not us, anything else is a safety issue.

Why dont you just boobie trap your property with mines and punji sticks to punish the kids if they venture on your property its easier and you dont have to feed them.

Skam

 

[CanDo]

I disagree with anyone who is ok with a child getting mauled for any reason.

There is no reason, no excuse, no rational. Its sick. If you own such an animal you shoud be charged and put away if anything happens. Dogs are supposed to be domesticated and live with humans, they must adapt not us, anything else is a safety issue.

Why dont you just boobie trap your property with mines and punji sticks to punish the kids if they venture on your property its easier and you dont have to feed them.

Skam

Again, I don't have one of these dogs, and most likely never will - if I felt it prudent, however, to turn my yard into a minefield, that option is protected by The Constitution - it would of course be necessary to clearly mark the property, and would be courteous to post a sign (in English only) that the land is mined.

It's not "OK" or "alright" that people get killed, but I don't see how you put the blame on someone who is not breaking any laws. Perhaps, just maybe, it is possible that when bad things happen, it can be no one's fault.

There is a nice looking tree in your backyard and a kid wants to climb it with a couple of friends. So they do, and he falls and breaks his neck. You should now go to jail for having such a dangerous tree and leaving it in a place where kids could get to it. The parameters and logic that you use, support this conclusion.

 

[saywhat?]

Thankfully, only one serious run in over all the years of biking, running and hunting out in the boonies. My wife, two kids and I were out back checking stand locations prior to deer season. I was carrying my three year old and my wife had our 1 year old. We were in a food plot on top of a ridge when I saw something moving through the brush across a creek about 200 hundred yards away. Hoping it was some deer I was pointing it out to the kids. Soon realized it was two dogs, a Rotty and a mutt I had never seen before and they were headed our way.

I let out a loud whistle so they knew we were there thinking they would turn tail. In seconds they had really closed the distance, barking and snarling a straight path to us. It was surreal. I understand dogs will protect their property, but this and the surrounding 400 acres were not theirs.

My wife took both kids and was scurrying to the tree line. I unholsetred and took aim at the Rotty hoping he would stop short. At 20 yards I put him down. The mutt stopped and circled the Rotty not sure what to do, then ran.

I tracked down a neighbor to find out who owned the dogs. He had missed the dogs twice. Once when he saw them chasing his calves and the night before when they cornered his wife on their porch. He figured someone dumped them out there.

My wife stated she was never more happy to see a gun in her life.

 

[JTC3495]

I disagree with anyone who is ok with a child getting mauled for any reason.


Skam

I don't think anyone is condoning a child or any adult even being mauled by a dog. However if someone or something enters a closed (gated) area of my property they will have hell to pay. If someone makes the effort to climb over a 6' wall when a 120lb Rottweiler is on the other side, sorry you lose. This all equates to our freedoms that we are trying to retain. We (knife owners) are in a constant fight to keep our rights to carry, just like gun rights. If we come to a precedent where we are held responsible for someone illegally entering our property and being hurt, please show me the exit door. I have a child and when we go for walks in the neighborhood, I constantly tell him to stay out of peoples yards. I don't want him or anyother child hurt in a situation like this.

 

[dtownknifekid]

If we come to a precedent where we are held responsible for someone illegally entering our property and being hurt, please show me the exit door.

sorry but we have already reached that point at least in one area of the country. I heard of a case inwhich a robber tripped and broke his nose in the house he was robbing sued the owner and won. This may not be true as i cant quote where i got it, but if it is it just shows how messed up our laws are getting. I dont know if it is legal but i for one am putting Big no tresspassing signs and a sign saying i am not liable for injury on my property unless directly caused by me when i get a house.

 

[cerberus]

Texas........Castle Law.......Love IT.

Cerberus

 

[Munky]

I disagree with anyone who is ok with a child getting mauled for any reason.

There is no reason, no excuse, no rational. Its sick. If you own such an animal you shoud be charged and put away if anything happens.

Thats like saying if someone broke into my house and I shot them and paralyzed them from the neck down, I should be locked up. This is the sort of logic that is messing up the world. People need to be responsible for their own actions, which means that they have to deal with the consequences of those actions. I dont care who it is that comes on to my property, if they dont belong there they are committing a crime and are therefore in the wrong. I dont think that my dog would maul a child just for walking on to my property, but if it did, I see no reason why it should be at fault. If a childs parents arent responsible enough to make sure their kid stays out of my yard and doesnt mess with my dogs, I think the responsibility falls upon their shoulders.

As for your earlier statement about poisoning dogs over your fence, I think you should be locked up. I personally find actions like that deplorable and unjustified. There are legal ways of taking care of problem dogs without becoming a vigilante.

I am sure this is going to start a flame war but it needs to be said.
--Whit

 

[Brian Jones]

Guys, let's not beat an old thread to death that was pulled from the Wilderness forum vault. It slipped back there because it ran its course.

 

[eatingmuchface]

neapolitan mastif is the best guard dog you can get.


but pits are I guess mainly bred for fighting abd baor baiting so they normally have a high agtression towards other animals, or anything that may look like prey.
they have an extremely strong prey drives and I think they are a little crazy.
A good AB is a safer bet for me... It always seemed they were alot calmer and more reliable. (basically you knew how they were going to behave in a certain situation)
My cousins AB got attacked by quite a few dogs and didn't do much of anything until they really got agressive. (on of whihc was a black lab actually)

As far as two dogs fighting, my friends tosa inu got in a fight with my other friends CRAZY german shepard/doberman mix. they're outdoor dogs so you just have to really let them fight it out and they'll be done.... trying to break it up is just crazy.
they're both still alive so it's all fine.

if you have a house dog that you'd be protecing from "feral" dogs, I would thing a gun is best... I don't see how they can be used in close ranger... just place the barrel on the dog you want to kill and squeeze the trigger.
I hate ferral cats... that our problem where I live. they fight racoons in the winter and get rabies and fight each other all summer... and get into garbage.
around where i live ( small townhouse development) you can't use a gun, but my neighbor used a bow to kill a racoon that weas getting into his pond.

we did also have 1 ferral dog up here that was chasing after a kid... I swung this big hunk a metal that was laying in my garage at him and he changed his mine and ran away.

I got kinda off topic but I just felt like sharing some stuff.
and NJ has it's fair share of "tweekers" for sure.

 

[eatingmuchface]

wow! this thread is old...
didn't even realize that.

sorry.

 

[Munky]

Yeah my bad sorry Brian. I need to start paying attention to dates.
--Whit

 

[DOC-CANADA]

I miss Skammer.

Doc

 

[svslider]

If pit bulls were bad dogs then akc would warn people. Instead they say pits are very nice gentle dogs, very good for families with children. Why would they lie about a breed?