Feral dogs

Skam,

For whatever it is worth, my pitbull has only bitten a couple of people (unfortunately none of them were tweakers), but she sleeps with my twin baby girls and follows my oldest girl out back to the swing set every night and I'm real comfortable that nothing is going to bother my daughter out there. She is as fearless and loyal a dog as I have owned...
 
im certainly glad you enjoy her mneedham. while cutting grass at my grandmothers once i went to fill up the gas in the riding lawnmower and my grandma came out to rake leaves or something(probablly just complain about something) and a pittbull came running at me and she ran and hid behind me. personally, my heart rate might have increased a little but i really wasnt scared. i just kept calm and the dog came running at me in submissive behavior and i just pet her belly and told my grandma it would be ok. the owner came running out a minute later and it was over like that. bottom line...for every bad story you here about dogs like pitt bulls i think there are many others like these
 
Guys, isn't the answer obvious? We need a complex permitting procedure to have these dogs.... (stepping back from the sarcasm, it actually makes more sense in many ways than gun control...)

If some kid gets mauled going into a dog's yard, it's the kids fault, and that's all there is to it. in my opinion, that's exactly what a large dog should instinctively do. That aside, they should at no point be outside of the handler's control... how do you solve that problem without collateral damage?
 
bmilla35 said:
. ill stick with my rhodesian ridgeback, even if theyre bred to kill lions in africa
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FYI,

Ridgebacks did not kill lions they occupied them till a hunter shot them.

The same is true of bears and Karelian's.

Skam
 
CanDo said:
If some kid gets mauled going into a dog's yard, it's the kids fault, and that's all there is to it. in my opinion, that's exactly what a large dog should instinctively do. That aside, they should at no point be outside of the handler's control... how do you solve that problem without collateral damage?
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You are completely on crack. Until scientists find a way for a dog to distinguish an intruder from a little kid messing around you should be held accountable for owning such a dog.

I poisoned 2 such dogs over the fence yrs ago (PB and Chow) that got loose and killed some local pets, just a matter of time before it was a kid.

Trained attack dogs need to be handled by a pro 24/7 not for the general public. An alerting guard dog is all 99.9% of homeowners need. the best guard dog I ever saw was 2lb Yorkie that would alert if anyone stepped foot on the property 100 feet away day or night.

Skam
 
I don't really have much of a problem with feral dogs in my neighborhood, but I wonder how my bullwhip would do as defense. I'm not skilled enough to hit a coyote properly (just before the crack, when it has the most energy/cutting power) But i can crack it loud enough (every time I want) to send my neighbors' dogs running for cover (except for the two that go hunting). I wonder how the dogs would react to both the noise and the snaking action of the whip? (I can't aim it perfectly, but I can get a good crack off at all the o'clocks, enough to scare most dogs I think)

hopefully I never run into this situation, but in addition to the noise/motion of the whip, it also transforms seamlessly into a fairly effective club. anyone else play with real whips here?
 
skammer said:
The fact 40% of all fatal dog attacks are by PB's or PB crosses even though they are less than 1% of the total dog population should mean something.

Dont give me the bad owner BS as many breeds have bad owners and they dont kill like PB'S. How do you expalin the perfect owner whos Pit kills?

They are wired wrong plain and simple.

Skam
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The CDC does track these things and you can find all sorts of statistics on the web (most wrong) but according to posted reports Texas is the only state that actively gathered and reported dog attack statistics. That does not mean dog bite, attack means sustained agression.

Anyway, I don't want to get into a pro or con Pit Bull discussion. Suffice to say that I do not care for pit bulls at all but according to the latest reported data from the Texas Department of Health the Pit Bull is not #1 in vicious attacks. You might find the following statistics interesting.

Vicious Dog Attacks by breed.

#1 Chow
#2 Rotweiler
#3 Pit Bull
#4 German Shepherd
#5 Chow Crosses
#6 Labrador Retriever
#7 German Shepherd Cross
#8 Mixed Breed

Now here is where the Pit Bull comes into his own. SERIOUS INJURY

#1 Pit Bull 13.1%
#2 Rotweiler 11.5%
#3 Chow 9.8%
#4 Chows and Chow Crosses 16.5%
#5 German Shepherds 6.6%

Basically there are four breeds that account for almost 50% of serious injuries.

BUT, here is the really interesting part.

Of all the female dog vicious attacks 78% of attacks were non spayed dogs. But of all the male dog attacks 90% of attacks are from NON NEUTERED dogs.

Neuter or Spay your dogs!!!!!!!!! This is not the time to go get all macho here, you will save yourself a lot of trouble.

Wuff
 
Interesting.

What must be understood about all dog stats is most are just total numbers. When you factor in the number of dogs per breed per attack or bite the true stat becomes very apparent.

The most numerous dog breed in the USA is the Labrador retriever type or cross, next the Golden retriever type or cross.
In contrast a PB or Chow or Rot are a mere fraction of those breed in numbers however they account for an exponentially massive proportion of bites attacks and fatalities compared to other vastly more numerous breeds.

They are more disproportionately responsible for damage.

http://www.dogsbite.org/victim-realities-fatalities-2007.htm

Skam
 
I agree with the assessment of the pit bulls and rottweilers. They are a small fraction of dogs overall, but a disproportionate number of serious dog injuries/kills.

I used to have a rottweiler. He was a great dog, but...once he got focused in on something it was difficult to get his attention. His focus would be so intense it was like he had gone deaf. I had to work with him a lot before I got comfortable that he was controllable. However, I never worried much about him going for a person, his particular focus would be other dogs and birds. That dog would catch birds like no cat you ever saw. He would chase down a bird and snatch it out of the air like a frisbee.

I've had a lot of dogs over the years, but none so intense as the rott. That ability to intensely focus in on something so that nothing else mattered was remarkable and a bit scary. I see that same characteristic in Pitt Bulls. I think that's a main reason for their being dangerous. Something else that I think gets overlooked is the pack mentality. One rottweiler or pit bull by himself is controllable. Get two or more together, and once they start to focus in on something they feed off of each others intensity. They'll reach a point that nothing can control them short of a shotgun. Most of the stories of the random type dog attacks involve 2 or more of the dogs.

I'm not meaning to disparge all owners of pit bulls. I'm sure they can be good dogs, but they aren't a dog to treat casually like it was your goofy black lab. They aren't the dog for most people who have them. They need someone that spends a LOT of time working with them and know the subtle signs of their dog and when it's time to reign them in. Obviously, someone like "pitdog" on this forum is able to read the signs and knows how to handle his dog.
 
"that is that they were indeed bred to fight(and kill)."

DOGS THey were bred to fight DOGS. THey were bred, believe it or not, to NOT bite people- otherwise they could not be handled.

I asked a county animal control officer what breed they got the most calls on for bites- when a breed was established that is. I was told- wait for it....



BLACK LABS!!!

Your experiences may differ of course, but the many Pits I have been around were people friendly. With Other dogs- not so much.
 
Skammer said

"You are completely on crack."

Are personal attacks ok on this forum? Can't we all just get along? :rolleyes:
 
Horse while i said they were bred to fight i was in short agreeing with what Skammer had to say, i still do like them which you should be able to tell by the rest of my posts. i might have used the wrong word in saying bred...they were probablly beat to not bite people and bred to have the perfect body structure, muscle tone, and jaw strength along with many other small things. either way...no dog should be used for that type of purpose. look what happened to vick
 
My own experiences with Pits and Rotts has been outstanding. My own troubles have come from Chows and mutts. When I evaluate danger, I evaluate two things:
1) How likely
2) How severe
Unfortunately for them- Rotts, GS and Pitts are equipped with crushing jaw strength and intense attack instincts. So I go to orange anytime I am near them, just in case. Chows get my immediate attention & little leeway if they get close.

If I were facing 4-5 dogs, my first instinct would be to find strong ground- a tree, on top of a car, in a corner--- I want to control their ability to hamstring me. I would rather be treed than mauled--- as long as I am alone. My ASP is my preferred non firearm defence, swung horizontal it is effective at breaking legs.

2Door
 
Horse said:
"that is that they were indeed bred to fight(and kill)."


I asked a county animal control officer what breed they got the most calls on for bites- when a breed was established that is. I was told- wait for it....



BLACK LABS!!!

Your experiences may differ of course, but the many Pits I have been around were people friendly. With Other dogs- not so much.
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Did ya read my posts? It explains why your statement is plausable. There are a 1000 times more labs so youd expect more bites. You should have asked the officer how many labs have killed someone?;)

Read this PDF file for a better explanation:

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attacks-merritt-clifton-2007.pdf

Look,I love dogs all breeds but I dont have my head in the sand on this issue.

Skam
 
Horse said:
Skammer said

"You are completely on crack."

Are personal attacks ok on this forum? Can't we all just get along? :rolleyes:
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He has to be on crack or lithium to make that statement. There is no other explanation.;)

SKam
 
sodak said:
I've never heard of the term "tweaker". Is it someone running a meth lab?
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Yes, a user of meth, or a meth lab freak is a tweeker:mad: And if we had a National Death Penalty i'd like to see them gather the tweekers and show the World what real cajones are by frying them a dozen at a time. Nothing is creepier than when the Sun goes down and the tweekers come out...just like the land of the zombies.

If there was a box on the election ballot to check,'YES, DOUBLE my taxes if all tweekers are elminated', I'd check YES everytime!:thumbup:

You must be TOTALLY out of the loop to have never heard the term...or live in a tiny town as yet unaffected by meth in the US. Thank your lucky stars!
 
Skammer,
VERY interesting read! I am shocked at the numbers for Bull Mastiff and Boxer- less so by the rest of the numbers read.
I know it is getting off topic but some mentions in the article made sense-- Homeowners insurance coding for specific breeds. I pay extra because I have a trampoline for my kids, the insurance company may well be sued for a dog attack occuring on that premises.
In order to legally conduct business buying and selling firearms, a license is required and in order for individuals to purchase from dealers- forms must be filled out and background check(Va.) must be ran. A drivers license is required to "try" to assertain a level of responsibility and ability to operate a motor vehicle.
How about a license to breed and sell dogs with an adult body weight by breed above 50 pounds? That would help to weed out irresponsible breeders. Any offspring not sold to a licensed breeder would have to be neutered or spayed before the sale. It is not a ban, the dogs would still be readily available but might weed out some of the irresponsible lot from owning and breeding.

Flame away- I am NOT for bans. I am a staunch conservative. Just thinking out loud here.

2Door
 
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