Fiddleback Friday Troubles

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I can't believe that this has become an issue and I just spent 20 minutes of my life reading all this. I can only imagine what Andy and crew are dealing with. I would hate to see the privileged minority change the way business is done around here. Fiddleback Friday is a constant, and has remained unchanged since the beginning. I see no need to change it. I don't want to see a reflection of society and government in this subforum. We do things the way Andy wants, if you think you deserve more or special treatment because you have the means to purchase thousands of dollars of knives per year, I encourage you spend some time reflecting on your values and how your fortune can help others. Leave the rest of us to ourselves. Your perception of life is distorted.
 
I spent a few thousand on knives last month and not a penny went to your company. I would like to own a Fiddleback knife, but I don't like the Friday sales thread. A few people seem to buy most of the knives each week. This leads to many knives in the hands of a few customers. I am not saying this isn't "fair". I just think this practice limits the growth of your customer base. For example, I am always astonished by the lack of online user videos and reviews of Fiddleback knives. It's hard to review a knife you don't really have a chance at purchasing unless you are around a computer on Fridays or want to write a program. I am not trying to bash your product. They look amazing and clearly have a huge following. I am just letting you know the perspective of a customer that walked away.
 
Andy brought a "portable" KMG belt grinder to Trackrock to grind 60 knives for next weeks batch. On a 3 day vacation. Think about that for a second folks.

He took a passion and turned it into a great small business that we all get to connect with. For those that have let their envy get ahead of their brain and fingers on a keyboard, chill out, relax, and get back to enjoying the opportunity to own a handcrafted product from Andy and his dedicated crew. You will get some that you covet and lose out on a few as well. Be happy for the guy/gal that got your favorite from the current batch. They may decide to sell to ya later.

Get into the woods with the Fiddlebacks you have and recapture some peace and serenity while using them. Let's all whittle some wood, make a fire for s'mores, or make some critter traps to get lunch and let this sort of thread die.

PS Do not trap your neighbors cat for lunch
 
Andy,

Thanks for sharing your concerns and frustrations with the members here. I truly believe that most of us here are happy with the Fiddleback Friday ad process as it exists now. It is a lot more competitive now with so many fast sharks, but that is just a sign of how desirable your products are. Please don't give up on it or make a lot of reactive changes to appease a few disgruntled customers.

In terms of relatively recent changes to the weekly process; I like the three (3) knife limit, I appreciate Ken's heads-up of the anticipated ad posting time in the "Well, It's Friday" thread, and I look forward to Bud's Sneak Peek post every week to get an idea of what is going on in the shop.

From a personal perspective, I have been around here for a little over a year and a half. I struggled learning the process the first couple of months before I figured out the basics and got fast enough to be competitive. I shared everything I knew about sharking in the "Shark Tips & Tricks" thread a year ago. Others have generously added more helpful tips since then so that anyone who cares to do some reading can know the same things that everyone else knows. I truly believe that knowledge base makes the process as fair as possible for old and new members alike.

I have been successful on some Fridays and missed the one(s) I wanted on many others. My taste for certain Shadetree burlap handles is shared by a number of other very fast sharks. I anticipate disappointment more often than not because the competition is fierce for the ones that I like. Does that mean I am quitting or the process isn't fair? Absolutely not!! I have been on a cold streak so far in 2015, but I will continue trying on any Friday that has something I want. My wish list is much smaller than it used to be, so please don't interpret my absence on some Fridays as giving up on the process.

I don't know who the disgruntled customers are and I don't really care to know. My perception of your customer base is that the majority of them are only here on Fridays to score a knife and then check out until the next Friday. I wish a few more people would apply that same level of focus and intensity to taking pictures, writing reviews, and generally adding valuable content to the forum that promotes your business. Unfortunately, we have only a small percentage of members who regularly make the effort to give back. The friendships that I have established here by being a contributor are way more valuable to me than all the knives I have missed scoring on Fridays.

I wish you lots of success Andy. Please don't let a few bugs hitting your windshield deter you from driving full speed ahead in the direction that you want to go.

Thanks,

Phil
 
Andy brought a "portable" KMG belt grinder to Trackrock to grind 60 knives for next weeks batch. On a 3 day vacation. Think about that for a second folks.

He took a passion and turned it into a great small business that we all get to connect with. For those that have let their envy get ahead of their brain and fingers on a keyboard, chill out, relax, and get back to enjoying the opportunity to own a handcrafted product from Andy and his dedicated crew. You will get some that you covet and lose out on a few as well. Be happy for the guy/gal that got your favorite from the current batch. They may decide to sell to ya later.

Get into the woods with the Fiddlebacks you have and recapture some peace and serenity while using them. Let's all whittle some wood, make a fire for s'mores, or make some critter traps to get lunch and let this sort of thread die.

PS Do not trap your neighbors cat for lunch

Amen -- this is what I'm talking about :thumbup:

in before the lock :D
 
I agree with so much that has already been said, so I don’t really have much to add.

However I do want to say that I cannot fathom why anyone would feel such indignation about not being able to purchase a knife. And not just a little indignation, but such indignation that leads to hassling the maker of said knife that is so coveted and to trying organize a boycott. It is utter nonsense. There are things to be upset about: wars, famine, death (especially losing a loved one), unwanted unemployment, societal breakdown, unfaithfulness, the problems that sin causes in general, and on and on. There is enough to be upset about in everyday life. You know what isn’t something to be upset about: these wonderful knives made by a seemingly really decent guy (never met him, never communicated with him, but it shows) and this strange and wonderful community that has formed around them. To me, it is a joy and something to be cherished in this crazy world.
 
I spent a few thousand on knives last month and not a penny went to your company. I would like to own a Fiddleback knife, but I don't like the Friday sales thread. A few people seem to buy most of the knives each week. This leads to many knives in the hands of a few customers. I am not saying this isn't "fair". I just think this practice limits the growth of your customer base. For example, I am always astonished by the lack of online user videos and reviews of Fiddleback knives. It's hard to review a knife you don't really have a chance at purchasing unless you are around a computer on Fridays or want to write a program. I am not trying to bash your product. They look amazing and clearly have a huge following. I am just letting you know the perspective of a customer that walked away.

I'm not sure what "user videos" have to do with Fiddleback availability but here are a few dealers if you want to buy a Fiddleback:

http://www.usamadeblade.com/Fiddleback-Forge_c23.htm

http://www.theknifeconnection.net/fiddleback-forge-andy-roy-en/

http://www.knivesshipfree.com/fiddleback-forge/?sort=alphaasc

http://www.bladecousa.com/fiddleback-forge-andy-roy.html

http://shop.leescutlery.com/ANDY-ROY-FIDDLEBACK-FORGE_c5.htm?page=all

Or.. you can find outstanding deals in the flea market. No excuse to not be able to get a Fiddleback. Especially if you are spending a "few thousand". Wow

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1057978-Fiddleback-Flea-Market/page323
 
Andy brought a "portable" KMG belt grinder to Trackrock to grind 60 knives for next weeks batch. On a 3 day vacation. Think about that for a second folks.

He took a passion and turned it into a great small business that we all get to connect with. For those that have let their envy get ahead of their brain and fingers on a keyboard, chill out, relax, and get back to enjoying the opportunity to own a handcrafted product from Andy and his dedicated crew. You will get some that you covet and lose out on a few as well. Be happy for the guy/gal that got your favorite from the current batch. They may decide to sell to ya later.

Get into the woods with the Fiddlebacks you have and recapture some peace and serenity while using them. Let's all whittle some wood, make a fire for s'mores, or make some critter traps to get lunch and let this sort of thread die.

PS Do not trap your neighbors cat for lunch

I think I'll go carve a spoon with my shank and shank my neighbor's cat with a Bushcrafter.

Then I'll take pictures of my knives along with the spoon and cat on the rocks.

Thanks for the suggestions. :D
 
PS Do not trap your neighbors cat for lunch

Dang it!
I was just going to do a video review of my KPH

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Andy,

Sell what you want, how you want, to who you want, whenever you want to. Whatever you decide I'm backing you up.

To the cancerous, spine less dip$shi$s that started this, step forward and take responsibility. You have something to complain about due it with some pride...


This!!!^^^^^^^
 
Just wanted to add one thing for people who are upset about not getting "Their" perfect Fiddleback. I have frequently not gotten my first pick from the FF thread but have reached out to the shark who did get it via PM and worked out a deal/trade or just gotten "dibs" if they ever decide to sell it. Similarly, I have passed along blades I really liked to fellow sharks who really wanted a particular knife. That is part of what makes the community great IMHO. For the record I like the format and find it exciting, I like Buds sneak peeks, and I like this community. If you are unfamiliar with particular models, Fiddleback Forge does have a website where you can view most current models and other forum members have posted numerous threads with comparison shots, reviews from the field and overall impressions. As these are "handmade" knives and can at times differ significantly in feel even within the same model and specs you really have to get one in your hand, try it and pass it along or trade it if it's not exactly what you had in mind. I think that is also part of the fun of this company and forum.
 
Many moons ago, I worked for a small (13 of us) but very successful calibration lab. We had two simple rules:
1. the customer at the counter has first priority
2. Never let the phone ring three times.
I believe that if Andy has customers at his brick and mortar they should take president over all others if that is what he chooses.

To those that support Andy and his crew, stick around. I for one like this forum and everyone who contributes.

To those that don't, goodby. Come back when you can sit a spell.
 
I spent a few thousand on knives last month and not a penny went to your company. I would like to own a Fiddleback knife, but I don't like the Friday sales thread. A few people seem to buy most of the knives each week. This leads to many knives in the hands of a few customers. I am not saying this isn't "fair". I just think this practice limits the growth of your customer base. For example, I am always astonished by the lack of online user videos and reviews of Fiddleback knives. It's hard to review a knife you don't really have a chance at purchasing unless you are around a computer on Fridays or want to write a program. I am not trying to bash your product. They look amazing and clearly have a huge following. I am just letting you know the perspective of a customer that walked away.

Josh (may I call you Josh?),

I'd like to invite you to pickup one of the over 50 Fiddlebacks that are currently available through dealers or in the flea market. No need to swim in the Fiddleback Friday shark waters unless you want to. Then we'd love to see some user videos and reviews of your new Fiddleback. This community can always use another knife knut that loves to share their experiences and findings.

And if you still decide that Fiddlebacks aren't for you, then I'd still love to see your reviews and other contributions to the knife maker you do choose.
 
Josh (may I call you Josh?),

I'd like to invite you to pickup one of the over 50 Fiddlebacks that are currently available through dealers or in the flea market. No need to swim in the Fiddleback Friday shark waters unless you want to. Then we'd love to see some user videos and reviews of your new Fiddleback. This community can always use another knife knut that loves to share their experiences and findings.

And if you still decide that Fiddlebacks aren't for you, then I'd still love to see your reviews and other contributions to the knife maker you do choose.

You beat me to most of my response. I will just add that all the Friday knives do not go in seconds. There is opportunity to get a knife that way, but the rare go quickly. These days it is not hard at all to get most models, just hard to get exact configurations that many are after and aren't made as often.
Josh -get one and enjoy it. It is not that hard

When I originally read Andy's post. I thought he was being a little over sensitive to a few e-mails of criticism, but after thinking on it I realized how I would have felt the same. It hurts so much because he cares . A lesser man would have just brushed it off without any thought.
 
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I am sure we can each think of knife makers who struggled to build a customer base and grow into fulltime makers that are now in high demand.

Produce too little and you can never be fully self supporting. Produce more and grow demand expnentially.

Edmund Davidson started out just up the road and slept on my couch a couple of times while doing local gunshows. Now he makes art pieces that I could never afford. Would I wish he had never been "found" so I could still buy his stuff for 150.00 a pop?? NO!!

I do not know what the accusations of "back door" sales are founded on. But as one of those who cannot afford to pay what knives often go for--- I say rage on Andy!!! I am very happy to see you doing so well. Even if it means it is harder for me to buy your knives, I am happy and proud to see your success.

Bill
 
I spent a few thousand on knives last month and not a penny went to your company. I would like to own a Fiddleback knife, but I don't like the Friday sales thread. A few people seem to buy most of the knives each week. This leads to many knives in the hands of a few customers. I am not saying this isn't "fair". I just think this practice limits the growth of your customer base. For example, I am always astonished by the lack of online user videos and reviews of Fiddleback knives. It's hard to review a knife you don't really have a chance at purchasing unless you are around a computer on Fridays or want to write a program. I am not trying to bash your product. They look amazing and clearly have a huge following. I am just letting you know the perspective of a customer that walked away.

What model, tang, thickness etc are you looking for? I'd be more than happy to keep an eye open on the flea market, etc if you had something in particular in mind.
 
Hi folks,

A few simple thoughts on my end. First off, thank you everybody for your support. In reading this thread it was great to hear that you stand behind us and what we do here. It seemed to me that was the case even if you disagreed with certain aspects of how the Friday thread works. And that support is what keeps us going, literally and figuratively.

As Andy said earlier, these "back door" sales only account for 10 (if that) knives a month. I believe the frustration on certain people's end is that many folks are interested in the same knife. And when they call or email us that knife has already been scooped up. We had that a few weeks back with a very nice Carver, must have gotten 6 requests for it. We've all seen this happen on any given Friday thread - where multiple people are trying to shark the same knife, the unicorn horn runt for example. I cannot tell you how many requests we have received here to buy the Black/Osage Sunset Bushcrafter that has been reserved for Blade show. In the case of that particular knife I've said no to everybody. We're not even sure how exactly we're going to sell it at Blade Show because we'd like it to be on the table for more than 5 minutes.

You can trust us when we say we're knife guys. And we know what it means when a particular knife speaks to you. They speak to us too. That is why we always do our best to accommodate folks that 'have to have it!' We get it. I myself missed out on a knife 8 years ago that I still can't forget. (Ironically, at Blade show last year the maker had made me another one - that was subsequently stolen off of his table.... just not meant to be in this case) It happens. Thankfully, like love and food, more is on the way and in time you find another knife that suits your fancy. Doesn't mean you don't regret the ones that got away, but maybe it means you appreciate the ones you do have all that much more.

Part of what we value the most in the sneak peek threads is that they show off the Process. It's hard work what we do here, just like the hard work that you do. In these threads you get to see a glimpse of the How, and we take a lot of pride in that. And it's cool to show off too. Plus you get to see upcoming knives! I don't understand how that is a bad thing, never has made sense to me. Except of course if you see your grail knife but can't get it. That makes sense. Please read above paragraph for my take on that.

A few people have expressed issues with the time of the Friday thread. Generally it takes all day to sort, photograph, & write the thread. If the thread is running late I post that it is running late, which could be for lots of reasons - technical problems, internet connectivity, safety issues in the shop, etc. I only once posted the thread early - the very first time. I learned my lesson and have never done it since, it was a genuine mistake and of course it pissed folks off.

You can expect the thread to be in the mid afternoon. However, when there is an event taking place - Guild meetings, shows, Trackrock, holidays.... then yes, it's gonna be earlier. Please keep in mind that during times like this we are compressing 5 work days into 4/4.5. The same stuff has to get done, in less time.

I'll leave it at that.

Thanks again for your support, for being a great community, and for sharing your perspectives in here.

Ken
 
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