Fiddleback Friday Troubles

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Joe Duder said:
That must be where the name Kingpin came from.
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Duder,

I believe there is a small percentage of customers that make your business unprofitable. That 2% takes away from the other 95%'s experience, they also take a HUGE amount of your time and are still not happy. As a manager, part of your job is to eliminate the very small percentage of your customer base to help your other customers and you. So, let's get back to Fiddlebacking! I'm done. No more preaching. But I have to say it one more time.... for upsetting my friend, Andy Roy and for making him question his character and ethics... you can kiss my grits! (not you, Duder, the ones who started all this)

Will
 
thurin said:
This boycott thing is really bugging me.

You really want to negatively affect a small business, that employs 9 people (last I read), so drastically that they change their business model so you can get a knife you want?

Really? Affecting the livelihood of 9 people over a knife? Or even over a lot of knives?

The "entitled" word has been used a lot. I agree. There's another word that comes to mind:

Bullshark
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The boycotting thing and getting their knife friends to do the same is more than troublesome... it is pathetic

Given the circumstances, not able to obtain the wanted knife, I'm willing some of those buddies the offending party attempts to rally behind his cause will get a good snicker at his expense.

To be perfectly honest, this makes me want to shark more knives. I'm more than willing to help any fellow shark, I have my good days in the tank, but I do not have much tolerance to entitled whining.
 
How about this: here's my community oriented solution that'll clear this issue off of Andy's plate.

First, the Forge outs all the Bullsharks.

Then, I write a program that sharks all the knives. I'll combine all the knives for sale iteratively and factorially - three knives per post.

Next, I'll start the Fiddleback F U thread and resell the knives. The price is the same for everybody but the bullsharks. If you're on the bullshark list, knives cost $100 more. And you can only have them if nobody else takes them in the first day.

Andy gets to focus on making knives. The forum turns into a self-regulating community that polices its own bad behavior. And I make money off of the self-entitlement of a$$holes.

Everybody wins.
 
How about this: here's my Andy oriented solution that'll fill Andy's plate, and his pockets too.

From now on Fiddleback Friday posts don't include prices. Those wishing to purchase a knife PM Andy with the knife they want and the price they're willing to pay. Knives go to the highest bidder at the end of the day.

Andy buys a swimming pool and fills it with money, capitalism reigns supreme, haters hate.
 
Andy,

Sell what you want, how you want, to who you want, whenever you want to. Whatever you decide I'm backing you up.

To the cancerous, spine less dip$shi$s that started this, step forward and take responsibility. You have something to complain about due it with some pride...
 
To the cancerous, spine less dip$shi$s that started this, step forward and take responsibility. You have something to complain about due it with some pride...
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Now that I would like to see.
 
justsomedude said:
How about this: here's my Andy oriented solution that'll fill Andy's plate, and his pockets too.

From now on Fiddleback Friday posts don't include prices. Those wishing to purchase a knife PM Andy with the knife they want and the price they're willing to pay. Knives go to the highest bidder at the end of the day.

Andy buys a swimming pool and fills it with money, capitalism reigns supreme, haters hate.
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I like this idea better. justsomedude wins.
 
Andy, I too am new since Dec 14, I have gotten everything I have wanted and never been first or early. I however have not gone after short knives, Runts for example.
Only ideas I have is to require the item number be in each "I'll take it post". Take what you shark and perhaps list a mixed up listing ie; large blades to small.
I am a fan and will be back each Friday. Love great design and craftsmanship and you deliver.

Thanks
J
 
I say fess up and admit who you are publicly and apologize, or at least to Andy...but wait, you lack the backbone for that, the same backbone you lack to have picked up the phone and dealt with it like a real person, the same degenerative backbone that allows you to sit behind your computer and type the fecal matter that would have never come out of your mouth to a real person!
 
This thread makes me sad and angry at the same time. The sale rules are clearly listed for all to see. Unless there is some secret club that I'm not part of, the rules apply to everyone. Posting of pictures does not create an offer of sale nor does it explicitly or implicitly state that item will ever be offered for sale.

I would even recommend that people be warned that harassing emails or phone calls will result in refusal to sell to that person, and/or any other remedies allowed by law.

These people are not your true friends or customers. They want friendship or to conduct business on their own terms and I for one would say good riddance.

The person who initiated the very public controversy a few weeks ago sent me a pm asking that I edit a post that quoted his post. This was after I very publicly expressed my support to Andy and Bud. My response was as follows:

I didn't have a dog in this fight but ultimately decided that you could have made different choices and let it die down. I don't know if you have done yourself irreparable harm amongst the FF family or if you can redeem yourself. But I'll leave you with advice that I learned too late in life. Words cannot get you out of a situation you created for yourself with behavior.

My editing a comment isn't going to help you with this situation. How you treat Andy and Bud, and the rest of the forum, going forward will.

My opinion remains unchanged.
 
I have been absent from posting on this forum for some time, but this requires everyone to post an opinion....

Fiddleback Friday's are one of the most exciting ways to get your hands on one. It would not be the same without it. I haven't swam the waters for a couple of months (work), but I look at the post every Friday when I get the chance. Andy has every right to sell as many knives as he pleases, how he pleases. Whomever is crying because they didn't get the knife they wanted....TOO BAD. I have missed out on many knives, but I have learned how to be patient and try, try again.

For Pete's sake, don't destroy one of the best sub-forums because you missed out. Enjoy the knowledge gained here and the possible opportunity to own a superb knife.

Andy, Please don't stop one of the most unique methods to sell your knives. It adds to the lore and the excitement.

Martin
 
willic said:
Duder,

I believe there is a small percentage of customers that make your business unprofitable. That 2% takes away from the other 95%'s experience, they also take a HUGE amount of your time and are still not happy. As a manager, part of your job is to eliminate the very small percentage of your customer base to help your other customers and you. So, let's get back to Fiddlebacking! I'm done. No more preaching. But I have to say it one more time.... for upsetting my friend, Andy Roy and for making him question his character and ethics... you can kiss my grits! (not you, Duder, the ones who started all this)

Will
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I couldn't have stated it better myself Will. Andy, please know that those of us who really enjoy watching your business grow will continue to support you. How you run your business, is your business.
 
I would even recommend that people be warned that harassing emails or phone calls will result in refusal to sell to that person
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I've been away from the forum taking care of life :) for a few days and I just read all of this. WTF?? :confused:

Andy's going to be hours just reading this thread.

1) This continued issue with selling out the back door baffles me. If I have a company and a customer takes the time out of their busy day to stop by my business there is no way that I'm sending him away without a product that he wants. I think that speaks volumes for the product support. Also if somebody calls my business with a very special request for a particular product then again I am going to do my best to get that product to them. I had an absolute blast taking a 200 mile detour out of my way to tour the shop, meet the crew and buy a knife from Andy. That would suck to not allow that to happen because somebody saw a knife in a pic and they can't have it now. I just can't wrap my brain around that.

2) Sneak Peaks - I would hate to see Bud's previews go away but maybe it's for the best. I can't believe I'm even saying that but I'm not the one dealing with the whiners. If it saves Andy some BS from the whiners then maybe it's for the best. I'd love to see the shop pics continue but that is up to Bud. I appreciate your efforts Bud.

3) Rules for Friday - This one is difficult and I don't have an answer. I hate to sound like broken record old guy here but ... I truly miss the simplicity of the old days. Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful to see Andy's business grow to this level over the years. In the beginning there were many batches that went days or weeks without selling out. Obviously that's difficult and unacceptable when supporting a family and employees. Now it takes only minutes or hours to sell out and the batches are 3 and 4 times as big as the early years. The growth is outstanding and I'm elated for the Fiddleback network. The early batches were random and that was my favorite method. You never new when Andy would release a new batch. That was exciting when you were surprised with a new batch. The batches and sales grew and then Fridays were born. Again an exciting time. Now Fridays have reached a fever pitch. There are many methods and tactics being used. I'm old school so I won't be utilizing the latest technology, tactics or writing a program to simply buy a knife. I also have to work on Friday's (Like so many) in reference to a comment I read to justify some of these tactics. I'm fine with all of it but I still won't be doing those things and I guess it's my loss. I often miss Fridays anyway and I rarely get the knife I attempt due to my antiquated hunting methods. I liken my old school approach to bow hunting I guess. There is a special reward when I shark a knife with my bare hands and a keyboard!! If I miss out No big deal. I'll grab something different or pick one up in the Flea Market and that hopefully generates another sale for Andy's crew.

4) I've also watched the forum participation explode with the same growth. I've see a lot of members come and go. That's natural with so many options and changes in the knife industry. I really enjoy the forum. I consider everyone here friends and I've made a lot of long lasting friendships over the years. I absolutely hate to see this unnecessary drama constantly. It tarnishes the best forum on this site.

5) Lastly, in all of MY dealings with Andy over the years I have never once had Andy be any less than straight up honest and professional. Customer Service has always been the number one priority here and I've seen it repeatedly.

I hope you don't eliminate Friday's Andy. I also hope that anyone with their panties in a bunch can take step back and just chill out a bit. We are talking knives here. There are much more important issues in life than not getting a knife that you want. Go read Duder's Community Center thread and reflect a little. Let's all be thankful for what we have here. It's a great forum thanks to Andy and the entire Fiddleack Forge crew and community.

I'm done ... (drop the microphone :D)
 
I'm sorry to read this.

I have to admit that I had to get used to the way things work on Fiddleback Fridays when I first discovered your knives, but I did manage to shark the first knife I was really going for so if I can do it it can't be that hard, right? I for one certainly prefer the way you sell knives now over a several years long waiting list for a custom order.

I haven't read this entire thread so perhaps it has been already mentioned by someone else, but if not; I do think the sharking-process would be farer if you made it mandatory to quote the entire knife-description when claiming a knife in the Fiddleback Friday thread. I think it would level the playing field a whole lot more, especially for us noobies who aren't able to recognize every knife from the Fotki-pics that go up beforehand so we can prepare a quick post for when the thread goes up.

That's just my opinion though.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, I can imagine this must be a though one :thumbup:

edit: for what it's worth, I also really enjoy Bonafide's sneak-peak threads. Just more knife porn to me, plus I really enjoy seeing a bit more of how the knives I like so much are made. It would be shame if he stopped doing them imo.
 
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D.H. said:
The whole boycott thing is ridiculous. Who is the brain trust that thought this up?

What happens if you boycott a product for which there is a greater demand than there is supply?

Nothing.

Someone else buys the knives.
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This +1
 
Andy Keep doing what your Doing!
Your successful, just always make sure you continue to love what you do!
 
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