Fighting and utility knives

[Blackie Scantling]

Yep, that's an amputator if it's used to thrust.

Especially since the handle is as wide or wider than the knife. That user is going to get cut.

Even in homicides where the attacker uses a knife on an unarmed victim, especially one where a knife such as a steak or butcher knife is used to stab, in the frenzy of the assault many times the knife wielder cut themselves to the point investigators almost always look for secondary blood thats not the victims.

 

[G8R8U2]

Especially since the handle is as wide or wider than the knife. That user is going to get cut.

Even in homicides where the attacker uses a knife on an unarmed victim, especially one where a knife such as a steak or butcher knife is used to stab, in the frenzy of the assault many times the knife wielder cut themselves to the point investigators almost always look for secondary blood thats not the victims.

Agreed; see that all the time on the various real crime shows. Needs to have at least a choil on any knife he intends to use as a weapon, with (as has been mentioned) an actual guard being preferable.

 

[precisionshootist]

I'm not sure if the OP has decided but I will toss in this idea.

First, the BlackJack Classic Blades like the Model 14 are no less than awesome. I also really like the BlackJack Model 5 and the Model 7. All three of these knives are patterned directly after the Randall model one and Model 14.
The advantage of the BlackJack is the cost and the convex grind as done by Mike Stewart/Bark River. The BlackJacks are some of the sharpest knives I have ever handled.

Lastly, for the OP. If you have a budget of $400 you can get an actual Randall Model 1 fighter. In my opinion there is simply none better. Randalls have a certain magic that can't be put into words.

 

[Joe Watson]

Yep, that's an amputator if it's used to thrust.

Not really.

A lot of highly trained men prefer a very minimal to no guard on their blades, as most guards are entirely too big and cause problems.

Not saying I like the design of the knife in question, I don't. But the "yer gun lose yer fingers wit no gerd!" thing is overblown.


I laughed when I saw the blood groove comment..... but I have a feeling someone really believes that to be true, also.

 

[Heathen619]

Benchmade SOCP, great quick grab and you can hold it and your sidearm at the same time in the same hand...

Best use is to back someone up to get to you weapon and tap them.

with a loop/hole you do not need a guard, because your hand is set in a fixed part of the blade.

 

[NetshadeX]

On a sidenote, it's funny how Hollywood introduces a knife fight in every single war movie. Even the more realistic ones like Saving Private Ryan. War videogames it's the same thing, most knife attacks in videogames are insta kills.

I honestly believe this what makes people/soldiers believe they need a fighting knife as much as a rifle. There was even some dude in another thread who believed double edged knives were the way to go because you could stealthily slit one guy's throat and use the other edge on any oncoming soldiers.....Seriously.

 

[Combativ]

On a sidenote, it's funny how Hollywood introduces a knife fight in every single war movie. Even the more realistic ones like Saving Private Ryan. War videogames it's the same thing, most knife attacks in videogames are insta kills.

I honestly believe this what makes people/soldiers believe they need a fighting knife as much as a rifle. There was even some dude in another thread who believed double edged knives were the way to go because you could stealthily slit one guy's throat and use the other edge on any oncoming soldiers.....Seriously.

Indeed the fight between 2 knife fighter it is very very rare. Saving Private Ryan is a No 1 as a War movies (with a realistic knife fighting scene).
I've also seen an interesting movie (a little bit more exaggerate, but with lots of knife fighting) which I highly recommend you: "The man from nowhere" - I think Korean movies or something like that. If you have other suggestion please don't hesitate to recommend me. Thanks.

 

[number41]

I've been doing handgun,blade and unarmed training for 15 years! I train every single day- 4am in the morning and then another session after work! So I think I know a little about knives.

Back to knives: a knife is not your primary weapon but a backup! You will have your primary weapon then handgun as backup and then 3rd but not least your blade! Many people don't believe in having a knife as a backup and that when you run out of ammo you are dead anyway.(that's a loosing mindset) We don't believe in loosing!!

A knife is a personal choice but also there are a few important things to remember:
-Grip is very important and needs to be secure in hand, you will need to test this by training with the knife using gloves,wet hands etc
-blade length and shape: I prefer a 9.5" curved blade. The longer the blade the better.
-blade steel is not the most important but still it needs to be a quality knife with good heat treat and it must be easy for you to sharpen it.
On my belt webbing I have a Fehrman EJ as primary blade. EDC I have a ZT 0100 inside pants with extra mag on my left and right-hand side pistol inside pants with rajah2 in pocket. That's on me every single day! I also train with these 3 times a week.

There's to much to discuss but I hope this helps a bit! If you want me to email you a video clip or 2! No problem

 

[Combativ]

I prefer a 9.5" curved blade. The longer the blade the better.

Blades too long become heavier (to wear daily) and have a lot of inertia to deal with. It is harder with very long blade to slash and trust in a smooth, continuously and fast way. The same, predator could easier see your (suppose telegraphic) intention. So I'm fun of about 7-8 inches blades and then compensation few inches blade difference with good foot work.

 

[leghog]

Ton of laughs from this thread. Thanks all.

 

[Glenn Jones]

There are a group of knives that have been around for a long time. I know that they have been used by the military because I bought one from a returned US serviceman. They all have the same basic Bob Terzuola design and might meet your requirements (but perhaps a little too short in the blade). One, the presently available Meyerco CQB1 was mentioned earlier in this thread. It is a copy of the long discontinued Camillus Cuda CQB1; and then there is the recently discontinued Gryphon M30a1. Of these, and I own all three, I consider the Grypon to be the best and ironically it was the cheapest. It has a better finger guard but some might not like the plastic grip (even though more effective than the others). A year ago you could pick up a Gryphon for $100 new. All have a sleek and lightweight design (military requirement),coated or uncoated, and all are made of stainless steel (either ATS-34 or 154 Cm - often preferred by military personnel who might not be able to maintain a knife easily in the field). I find mine make great general utility knives which is not what they were designed for. There is a comprehensive description of the Camillus and Meyerco versions at http://www.britishblades.com/forums...B-1-from-Camillus-to-Meyerco-(very-pic-heavy)

 

[Firestrike]

Busse TGLB=GOOD

I own one and Love it. I am not much into stainless steels unless it's a folder.

Had a 5 Kabar Fin fixed blades which I have given to friends and family, they were D-2 steel and only one has been broken when used to cut ceramic tile and plywood, while being beat on with a 2 pound sledge for close to 5 hours(gave my brother-in-law 2 of them, 1 he purposely tried to break), the other 4 look great and have been used for everything from digging to throwing. So D-2 has earned my respect in the knife world as well.

All of your choices are probably pretty sound for your intended application, plenty of 'Nam vets out there are willing to attest to the useful of the lowly Kabar USMC in 1095.

Cheers and good luck!

 

[Glenn Jones]

I think you are correct in recommending a busse but not the TGLB. I own a beautiful competition finish TGLB with red and black G10 handles in a skystorm sheath. It is a magnificent set-up and I love it dearly, but I believe realistically it is too big and heavy for military use.

 

[Combativ]

I ve seen over the internet that Busse has made great knives, but here I ve never saw one in reality.
As I ve mentioned before, I ve just ordered Blackjack Hallo Atack 14 from knifesupply. Thanks for your recommendation regarding this. Now I have in use Esse 6 and Tanto Warcraft.

 

[UCPOPO]

I ve seen over the internet that Busse has made great knives, but here I ve never saw one in reality.
As I ve mentioned before, I ve just ordered Blackjack Hallo Atack 14 from knifesupply. Thanks for your recommendation regarding this. Now I have in use Esse 6 and Tanto Warcraft.

Let us know how the order goes with Knifesupply. I've noticed they have really good prices but I've heard mixed reviews on ordering from them.

 

[Combativ]

Let us know how the order goes with Knifesupply. I've noticed they have really good prices but I've heard mixed reviews on ordering from them.

I ordered from them twice. First with an American citizen support, who ordered for me and then send it to me. They have indeed very good prices but for the US territory they add some additional taxes (if I remained correctly, about 10%). I ve now ordered directly from them, for European Union. This time it is cheaper (free of taxes) but add 40-50 dollars per package. Unfortunately some of their products are out of stock, so ask them before order via email. Contact person Shawn.

 

[Tallahassee]

@Combativ, IMO it's just crazy to over-focus on video game scenarios where you could possibly need a civilian specialty 'fighting knife' in actual combat. Your issue bayonet is plenty of tits for that bull.
Talk to vets and IMHO you will not hear knife fighting stories. Unlucky souls reduced to hand to hand with a knife do not seem to live to tell the tale of their outcome. No disrespect to the dead.
OTOH, a nice cheap sturdy one-handed folder or SAK would be handy for all the same utility reasons you'd carry it on a civilian hike.
I'd suggest you re-focus instead on picking a decent cheap clip-on one handed folder, pick up a used Victorinox Swiss Champ on eBay plus a backup spare, and your cutting/slicing/opening needs will be totally covered. You'll be glad.
My .02.


PS, for non-fighting general utility, +1 for the classic Ka-Bar USMC, 7" with kraton handle. In carbon steel or D2 supersteel (hard but/and needs diamond stone to sharpen).



"No one wins a knife fight. Loser dies in the gutter. Winner dies two blocks away.'

 

[kjd2121]

I suggest you look into throwing knives. Why would you allow an attacker close to you? All you need to do is throw a knife at him/her. Be sure to aim for the neck as there is soft tissue factors we need to consider. You must practice at least daily on fruits of your choice. You could maybe coat the blades with some kind of poison in case you just glanced the skin. That way they would still die. Be sure to wear gloves.

I found this set for cheap. You could get maybe 5 sets and they probably don't weigh much. That would give you 65 knives to throw. You could maybe throw 3 at a time and mow down the enemy. Just a suggestion:

http://willowtreehome.com/Home-Decor/BNF-SKTHRW12.html?gclid=CJzZ0MKS_rsCFcKDQgodJBgAuA - You can even get these gift boxed!!!

Let me know what you decide...

 

[Combativ]

I suggest you look into throwing knives. Why would you allow an attacker close to you? All you need to do is throw a knife at him/her. Be sure to aim for the neck as there is soft tissue factors we need to consider. You must practice at least daily on fruits of your choice. You could maybe coat the blades with some kind of poison in case you just glanced the skin. That way they would still die. Be sure to wear gloves.

I found this set for cheap. You could get maybe 5 sets and they probably don't weigh much. That would give you 65 knives to throw. You could maybe throw 3 at a time and mow down the enemy. Just a suggestion:

http://willowtreehome.com/Home-Decor/BNF-SKTHRW12.html?gclid=CJzZ0MKS_rsCFcKDQgodJBgAuA - You can even get these gift boxed!!!

Let me know what you decide...

One point to consider. In the dinamic and impredictible harsh of the fight when both persons involved will be in general in motion, in chronch position advancig, with the blood full of chemicals (like adrenalin). In such case it is very hard to hit the predator even with a handgun (let s said about 30% for 7 yards distances). but hitting him with trowing knives and incapacitating him it is very very hard to proceed (not to say almost imposible).If you have only one knife left you must keep it as last layer of defence not to throw into predator.

 

[uscav24]

You sound like a giddy little private on his first deployment overseas.