Fighting for kicks

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I learned a long time ago, NOBODY ever wins a fight. I realize that there are times when it is unavoidable, but you would be surprised at how infrequently that actually occurs. If one person walks away, there is no fight. Ego and pride are the causes of a lot of fights. Nobody wants to be called a wimp or other names or have somebody think less of them, so they often dont walk away. I have been in more than my share of fights, and at the very least, you will hurt your hand punching someone in the head or sprain something. Not to mention the possible legal problems or lawsuits. As for knife fights, I havent been in one of those, but I did once have to pull my knife to scare a potential mugger away and it worked. I also pulled my knife once to discourage a guy wanting to cause a bunch of trouble and the guy just laughed. Took a lot of talking to avoid a battle there. Lesson learned? Dont pull a knife unless you are prepared to use it. I do carry a knife at all times and feel naked without it(sorry for any objectionable visual images). By the way, growing up being 6'6", it seemed like every other week, some short guy wanted to fight me. Talk about a no win situation. If I kick their butt, I hear "Well, look how much bigger you are!" And Heaven forbid I should lose to a guy smaller than me. Now, I mainly fight with the heavy bag.

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Fighting for kicks = short lived looser

I just don't get it.

The average age of our membership is 37. The folks you are looking for died as teenagers. You are in the wrong place.

N2S
 
I have been lucky, I have never had a knife fight per se. In my teens there were fights, some very violent, but I have never had to cut or shoot somebody. I was cut with a broken bottle once. A guy with a bat messed up my left elbow (eventually the clicking went away and the range of motion returned), the elbow saved my head.

On several occasions when I was in my late teens/early 20's I had situations in which people pulled bladed weapons on me (box cutters, knives, a machette once), but frankly by then I was big, athletic and I had taken to caring a Randal Model 1 (which I still have and carry in the field occasionally), pulling the Randal and being willing to fight (while never cutting off their line of escape), always got them to take flight.

Just in 1998, in April a guy on the Boardwalk at Coney Island was trying to rob a kid of his bike and he pulled a boxcutter on me when I said Yo man, leave the kid alone. It was a weekday about 10 am, a cool spring day, nobody around (a couple of blocks North of Surf Ave near the Tower). I tossed a wire garbage can at him and pulled th old Model 1 and he fled on foot.

I have to think that as with firearms in most defensive uses of knives simply brandishing the weapon ends the attack (don't take this to mean I encourage people who are unwilling or unable to "use" a knife or firearm to brandish one if attacked. Rule one, if you pull a weapon be ready willing and able to use it or you are gonna eat it.)
 
I don't ever look for a fight, its something I'd really like to avoid and have for the most part been successful at. But when it comes to defending yourself I look at is as one of those anything goes situations. The guy attacking you isn't worried about following any rules so why should you ? I'll use whatever is at hand if I need to. I'd start out with my hands, but if need be I'd grab a chair or anything else. Along those lines, it just so happens that I always have a knife at hand so if I thought I needed it I would use it. Why not? It probably would be the last thing I would go for, partly because I don't know as much about fighting with a knife as I do with my hands, and partly because I don't want to escalate things into deadly force unless I think the other guy or guys have already brought the situation to that point.
Its really a matter of judgement. You have to be aware of whats going on, think about whats happening and predict what might happen. You never know exaclty whats coming. You have to think about what has the potential to happen given the signs in front of you and then make a responsible decision on how to deal with it. If you don't think you can responsibly judge when to use deadly force then yoy shouldn't carry a knife or any other weapon. The consequences are to great. You could kill the wrong person, or make the situation worse for yourself.
As for wether a knife is effective as a weapon for self defense I'd say its better than most things and not as good as some. But that all depends on the situation. In the end your better off to have one and not use it than to need one and not have it.

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I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer... but I've got the sharpest knife in the room.
 
Thank you all for your well articulated responses. But let me tell you one thing before you "Mock and Ridicule me until I never return". Fighting with knives can be no different from any other studied art. Responsibility is inherient.
 
fighting for kicks involves martial arts like tae kwon do or kick boxing knife fighting is fighting for nicks.

btw there are other better tool for fighting with e.g. a brush axe, but how many people carry brush axesaround town. pens work well and does most thing with the proper mind set the mind and intent is the key.

anyway if you want to fight for fun may i suggest western or eatern matial arts fencing
boxing or judo or some such sport on te street fighting is about survial short am simple so you do what ever it takes to survive that deadly ecounter, from being aware enough to avoid it to being nast dirty etc in your fighting if it must be done. survival has but one rule stay alive.
 
DameLara,
On the off chance you are being serious you should at LEAST read your posts and ask yourself this question: "Am I writing this in a respectful tone in which I myself would like to be addressed?". In my opinion the answer would be "No" in each of your posts and replies here.

First Post: Your statement "I suspect no one here knows what it feels like to be cut in a fight." reads more like "I suspect no ONE of you NINE THOUSAND (registered members not to mention lurkers!) individuals of various ages, sexes, walks of life, creeds, races, nationalities, religious backgrounds, different continents and countries knows what it feels like to be cut in a fight." Be serious! In this forum you've got an age span that encompasses the very young through the middle aged likely even some retired or older folks (average age 37 as someone previously posted). The OBVIOUS flaw in your statement is that you are also likely addressing a NUMBER of Veterans of not only the US but also other countries who are either in active military duty, retired, OR (here comes the kicker...) disabled which could easily have entailed a cut or two or very deep stab wound. I doubt there is any 'definitive' statement you can apply to ANY 9,000 people across the board!
Advice: Avoid definitive statements and use polite conversation whenever possible. Avoid challenging remarks like "Right..." in your statements if you do NOT want to be MOCKED AND RIDICULED or otherwise want to be taken seriously.

Second Post: The statement "In fact I suspect knife fighting to much simpler in design." is confusing as who DESIGNS a fight? Kata or other practice forms sure but you cannot rely on any design in an unexpected ambush or attack. Again, definitive statements or allusions of this type should be avoided in polite company. THEN we have the description "Thuggish Mexican". I'm not speaking for anyone else here but your bigoted statement pissed me off big time! "Thug" would have been sufficient and to further describe said fellow by race or national origin is simply showing your hand in that you carry with you some serious prejudice and you need to seriously consider that in polite conversation BEFORE printing or speaking in order to determine the answer to the first question I posted. Also, "You have to think faster than the other guy. Knife fighting can be not different." Hmm... Lessee. Since your are the 'victim' and the other person is the 'aggressor' usually the aggressor has the advantage as he KNOWS he is going to attack you! Unless you're really good at reading the future you will likely begin any defensive situation at a disadvantage and will have no time to think faster than the other person as they are at least a thought or two ahead from the beginning. Again, avoid definitive statements but if you are passionate or knowledgeable about something simply start with "In my opinion..." and you are automatically given the benefit of the doubt.

Last Post: Don't throw in empty threats like the "Mock and Ridicule me until I never return". Simply say something in a polite manner if you have something to say making sure to ask the above question EACH time. Making a post like that will only get you invited to 'leave' post haste. Your responses here either add to or detract from the content of posts and your posts direct what you will receive in like manner. Finally, "Responsibility is inherent" is a good food for thought statement but utterly wrong. Some people will practice a martial art for different reasons: Jealosy, Anger, Love, Hatred, Fear, Responsibility, Duty and the attitude and general knowledge of the person will determine to what level Responsibility comes in to play.

In short, Guns and Knives and Sticks and Stones and Bows and Arrows and Spears and Clubs and Maces and Swords and Brass Knuckles and Rolls Of Newspaper, etc, etc, etc DON'T KILL PEOPLE!

PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!

All those other inanimate objects just lay around waiting for some PERSON to pick them up hence the term 'Inanimate Object'.

If you're serious, you'll take some of what I said to heart and chuckle at the rest but the message is clear. Hope to see better from you in the future.

Shawn
 
It may or may not apply here, but I think troll threads can be categorized (usually) as one of two varieties:

1) The badly spelled Ashida-Kim-Ninja wannabe posts that say, "I'm the greatest Rambotron-Balisong-Parabow-stick-boxing knife fighter in the world, fear me!"

2) The posts by relative newcomers that make sweeping generalizations to the effect of, "everyone here is a poser (except me, of course), and my thousand-yard-stare and haunted tales of my personal street fighting experience should inspire you all to respect my great and earthy knowledge. Now go home, all of you wannabe children."

Razor

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Fighting is the sport of the dumb. Real men can discus and sort out a problem without violence. It is the behaviour of the inferior and lackluster people.

Still when confronted and with no option to run, an AFCK and Spyderco Military in the hand will deter most if not all low lifes in the UK.

I will not say if I have had to use a knife, but often when you are reaching for the knife, it is to late, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just because you have a knife and training does not make a person a fighting force. A friend of mine who is a second dan in two martial arts and a third in another said that knives are rightly feared on the streets. Even an amature can get in close and cause a fatal would in less than 2 seconds. My uncle, who served in the RAF as a base security officer and who is a Judo/reflexology instructor and ex-bouncer, told me that a knife fight is a no win situation. At best one will get hurt at worst both will die. It has been my experience that a decent tac knife will get you out of trouble when dealing with young kids or punks. A real criminal will probably not back down and the knife will provoke a dangerous encounter. A friend of mine told me once he was mugged at knifepoint in Glasgow. He had a much larger and better knife than the scum, but he let his wallet go. A good decision. IMHO a knife aught to open boxes etc and only be used when it is to defend loved ones or where there is no other option than kill or be killed. Better to saerve time for killing than be a statistic on a slab of steel.

W.A.

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You wonder how many of the people on this forum have been in a fight let alone a knife fight.
As a teenager I ran with a very rough bunch and number my fights in the hundreds, and believe me I do not say that with pride. Very few times were weapons involved, and never did I have to face a knife.
That was over half a lifetime ago, and sometimes when I look back, I thank my lucky star that I am healthy. I hope the same for opponents of the past.
I carry a knife with me every day and hope that I will never have to use it for more than the daily chores it is intended for. This being said, I know that if I were put in position of having to defend myself or my family from someone who intended to use a weapon to hurt or kill,I would do so without thinking twice.
I think that almost everyone here has a great respect for knives, and would never get into knife fights for something to do. There are people out in the world who would hurt or kill with a knife. You won't find them here.
I am sure some people do not like this kind of thread. They find it inflamatory, but it does allow use to air our opinions. I always find this to be fun, if people don,t start name calling.
Have fun everyone, and be civil.
 
I think back to my latest 'knife encounter' just this evening...armed only with a 6" utility knife.

It is a fact, a quirk of nature perhaps, that time really does slow down. I can distinctly remember seeing my knife hand coming down as I thought to myself...

"Do I want five one inch venison chops...or six slightly thinner ones."

Hard to believe but I had plenty of time to decide before the edge touched the meat.
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Thanks Shawn..good post.

Steve-O
 
I am going to start off with saying that all of the "regulars" (especially Richard) that have posted here have made valid points to which I have very little to add.

What I am going to discuss briefly is Miss "DameLara".

Is your handle (username for you youngsters)taken from the famed Lara Croft (sp?) of TombRaider (video game for you old timers)fame?? If so, you are clearly showing many of us your age.
And by the way, age in and of itself doesn't necessarily indicate intelligence level of a person but your thread sure does.

Guys I was going to rant, but I don't think that it's worth it.

DameLara,
If you're going to stick around here & discuss/learn then you might want to take a second to think before you post.
What did you think you were going to get as responses to this thread? It appears to many of us that you are just "stirring the pot."

What we got here fellas is clearly "Misko's" girlfriend.
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"Fighting with knives can be no different than any other studied art"????

You can't possibly mean opera, painting with oils or water colors, landscape design, engraving, woodworking, etc, can you? Could you possibly go into detail of your definition of this statement?

I gotta tell you, I was OK with your inquries up until this one. I feel like I'm now observing the thought processes of a very simple mind.
 
The way I see it, the best time to fight with a knife is when your opponent doesn't have one.
A good example would be if you go into McDonalds, and order a McBiscuitburger, and instead, you get a McRatfilet.
You try to sort this out gently, at first, ut the pimple faced loon that gapes at you insists that your order is correct, and please go away because they are other customers who are behind you.
A well placed chop of any decent sized machete is well advised in this situation.
"But that's using deadly force when your life's not threatened!" you say?
Hey, take a good look at that kid's face! Thos whiteheads are ready to blow like Mt Vesuvius! All it takes is a well practiced grimmace on his or her part, and you'll be temporarily blinded. At that time, you're at the kids mercy, off to suffer a fate of being stuffed into their industrial microwave for 7.3 minutes. Your last thought being, "Damn, I didn't realze how truly SPACIOUS these microwaves are!"

Hopefull that answers the question and there'll be no more said about it.

Off to Mc Deathdealers,
I remain,
VG
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Gentelmen.

I do not now, nor did I ever intend to come off sounding like a recist. The incident I mentioned was only one in a long string of similar problems. I agree, race had nothing to do with. I'm sorry for coming off like an @$$. I guess my mindless blather and rantings can be directed somwhere else. I hope if I should ever have a legitimate knife related question you will be an option.
Again, sorry.
 
Whoa, spelling??? Hooked on fonics werked fer me.
The one thing I was known for all the years I worked as a bouncer was the ability to talk down a situation. Bar owners liked me for it and friends respected me for it. Perhaps it was because I was a little older than most of the other guys I worked with or a little bigger. I wasn't there to prove anything, was just trying to make a buck.
Most of the people I know that are well respected in the martial arts(I am not a martial artist) seem to have a knack for not getting into fights.
I agree to defend one's life a knife is justified, but I'm sure it wouldn't be fun. From what I've read about knife fights, both parties usually get cut.
I think most who train in some sort of fighting or martial arts do so for the pure pleasure of the sport and self-discipline.

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If I ever HAD to get into a knife fight (haven't yet, and I hope never to,) I would probably just try to inflict a serious wound, then run for it, as I don't want to

a.) Kill someone*
b.) Wander around covered in blood... that would be bad even when not considering blood-borne diseases.

On the other hand, the wound inflicted would no doubt be quite serious or even fatal as the knife I would count on is a 15" kukri; hopefully that would be enough to scare anyone off and not HAVE to fight. Concealing it is not a problem, as I've fairly effortlessly concealed a 34" sword numerous times last summer while walking through downtown to a friend's house.

* I would not want to kill because of legal reasons. In many cases in court, self-defense just isn't taken as a valid answer. Personally, I see anyone who intends to take my life as not a person, but a threat to be neutralised without hesitation.
 
Fuchikoma-

You carry a 34" sword concealed? I don't doubt that you CAN do this, just wondering about the legal ramifications. What city do you do this in?

And the practical applications... Are you carrying this for self defense?

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I just read this post, and I am a little late for a response. However, I agree with Richard and the rest of the family here. I carry a knife, and use it on a daily basis performing light duty around our farm to opening letters at the office. I can say I have been in my share of scuffles, some won and some lost. Never had to pull a knife, but it is there to even the odds if needed right along with my GLOCK! Knives and guns don't do the killing, it's people that kill people.
 
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