Finally time to buy a grinder, BUT......need advice

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Okay guys. Bare with me. I thought i saw most of this info in a sticky here, but i can't seem to find what I am specifically looking for. I have been on this forum almost everyday, for about 4 years now. And, due to the fact that the amount of knowledge on this forum especially, is more than one can learn in a lifetime, I have barely even scratched the surface. And, so far, I have been learning all I can, and that long awaited window of time where I can actually afford a real good grinder is finally here.
I have read dozens of threads about putting together a grinder over the past few months, and now Im at the point where I just have too much info in my head, and no real way of deciphering it all. I am a bit overwhelmed, to tell you guys the truth, but I have been aspiring to be a great knifemaker for a long time now, and I can't tell you guys how much I look up to you and look TO you for almost all of what I have leaned and aquired thus far. And, to be even more honest, I just don't care to take any more time and try to learn every little thing like most of you guys do, about all the details about power supply, wiring, voltage, amps, and the more technical side of building my own grinder bearing by bearing. And, I am very limited in my tools as of now. But i plan for now, to use the grinder in a small shop in my back yard, and eventually get a small shop somewhere to work out of.

Just 2 weeks ago, I sorted out all of my tools(small selection though), and put all my things nice and organized in my truck. (I am a mechanic, so mostly auto tools, but tons of other crap I planned on using for my knife shop too.. Anyway, long story short, I organized all my stuff, and for some reason proudly set them up in my truck(old range rover) for work, as I do a lot of side jobs different places. Well, the other night some crack head broke into my truck and stole every last tool that I own, thus kind of ending my career for now as a backyard auto mechanic, while I go to school at night getting my degree in business.
So, this leads me to finally taking the plunge into my knife making career(hopefully), and starting from scratch to get my tools all set up again, for a different kind of work now. But, the reason I say this is that I don't have too many tools at the moment to build anything of my own, plus I am not a machinist at all, by any degree, so I wouldn't want to do anything to technical anyway. And, this whole time whenever I read about do it yourself grinders, I really don't even understand a lot of the things associated with building one.

So, I know that was alot about whats going on with me real fast. But, it leads me to my next thing. I don't want to just buy everything possible, and sell what i don't end up using. I want to buy only what i need, but with good quality, and I want to put something together that suits my needs, and style of knives I will be making.
For now, I will be concentrating on mostly fixed blade knives, with flat ground blades, but I would like to play around with some larger wheel hollow grinds too I think, but its not that important right now. I want to focus on combat fixed blades, small edc fixed blades, balisongs, choppers, takedown knives, and the occasional folder. Mostly hard use knives though, thats why i was thinking mostly flat ground, but you can do some cool stuff with hollow grinds. And, I want to make my purchase really count. I am hoping somebody can send me a few links on what I will need, but the pieces all need to be compatible, i don't want to worry about machining thing to make them work.

So, it comes down to this really. I love, eat, and breathe learning about knifemaking. I have a budget of $1100 right now(everything, even my food money but I don't care!!) that I can spend, and want to get as much as I can, to start my endeavor of making knives, but I want something that I can have for a long time. And, I figure I can start with a grinder, as its the most important thing really, and I am getting a huge old machinist drill press from a buddy for 85 bucks in a day or two, and it works just fine! So, I am excited about that, it will be my first real tool in my shop, and I know i will eventually aquire other small things over the near future as I need them. And, maybe you guys have an idea about turning it into a mill, as i saw at harbor frieght some tables for the drill press that work as a sliding table attachment, like the way a mill works, but im sure the HF ones are the cheapest, so just got me thinking i can use the press for a mill too! I hope!

But, i figure the real money needs to be spent on the grinder, first and foremost, and if i some how have money left over(in a perfect world), or for my next few purchases, you guys can tell me what else I will need, and the way you would go about it now, if you were to start over and buy everything from scratch.

I hope I don't sound like I am looking for a short cut here, but I really am just getting frustrated with all the grinder options out there, and in the past this has led me to hesitating until i no longer had the funds to even buy one. So, I really want to make the right decision here. And, for the life of me, when i go back to the stickies and older threads, and can't find the great ones that I have came across in the past, so its all a big blur in my very recent memory. And, many of you guys always say how you would go about buying your equipment if you could do it all over again, so I want to hear those thoughts.
I have already looked at many like Grinder In a Box, Polar Bear Forge, Grizzly, Wilton, Burr King and KMG(wow, how do any of you guys afford those?), Bader, Coote, etc. etc. But some of those are like 3 or 4 grand! What choice and options are good for me? I just don't even know where to start anymore. I have seen threads where guys put together lists of all different options, and pros/cons of each......The NWG seems pretty cool, as does the GIB, and doesn't seem TOO bad i guess, pricewise.
I know I want a 2" x 72" (i think?) based around knifemaking, as this will be used everyday to grind knives, and something I can get and put together easily if possible. But, when I was looking at all those threads in the past, I usually didn't have the funds to get one, so now that I do, I can't really remember everything I thought I wanted, plus I just keep reading about all sorts of different options out there, and its really hard to go through these threads, and pick out what you need without getting overwhelmed with knowledge. But, as I said, I have been learning everyday for a long time now, and its time i take the plunge into this dream of mine.
So, please, help me out, and please don't take me as too lazy to look up or search for this. I just want an up to date bunch of opinions from you guys who I read about everyday, and want to know how YOU feel, and what YOU would do, if you were in my place. I will definitely be adding to my tools in the near future, so I don't need to worry about my powerhammer just yet...:)
I am sorry this post was so long, but I am just so stressed out believe it or not about this, and have been for a while, that I just really hesitate to just buy something off of a half ass memory of a thread weeks or months back. Like i said, most of the grinder threads(but not knifemaking threads believe it or not, haha) are more confusing to me than any other threads. So, please forgive my ignorance. But, I have already worked with a buddy's HF 1 x 30 and I can manage some decent grinds, but I know I don't want to go the cheapest route. I want to buy smart, and for quality, to help with my work. I also do a bit of jewelery making on the side, and wouldn't mind using this for small projects like that every now and again also. But, this grinder will be my one and only do everything for knife making, using her everyday hopefully for years to come. So please help guide me in the right direction. I know it is a bit repetitive, but its late and I am tired, and just can't think of anything except building my knife shop(tools first though!), even when I out to dinner with my girl, or in school, etc. And, I want to make this purchase soon, before I second guess myself once again, and not get a chance to get what i need to get my foot in the door at least, so to speak. I am 28, and this is what I want to do for my life, my future, and for a living if my dreams come true. I am also thinking about going into metallurgy this next semester, but that is for another conversation.

I feel like a creep. I know most of you by name, and none of you know me I don't think really. But hopefully you soon will, as once i get this, i now can justify my being around here, and posting more. I hope that didn't sound wrong. Its just that it seems like taking the steps to get into this, has been harder, and more stressing for me than most, and perhaps it shouldn't have been. But, I have been trying to break into it for more than just a few years now. Since i was a kid, but my school never offered any metal classes, whatever. I want it now, and will do what i have to in order to get there, but i need to do it the right way. So, any links or ideas for a guy who can't build his own exactly from scratch, piece by piece, but wants something that i can have years from now, saying to others that i still love it, and use it every day!

I suppose i should have called this thread, "Help me build my knife shop, starting with the grinder"

ANY AND ALL OPINIONS ARE MORE THAT WELCOME.......I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME, AND FOR ANY ADVICE OR HELP you can lend me.
Even if its just some quick ideas, or a couple informational links of similar stories.....

Enough of my rambling now, i gotta get some sleep. But, I can't. I so damn excited that I finally have the extra funds to get a grinder! I've been waiting a long time for this......

Sincerely,
David Weglarz
 
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Well, I believe a grinder is the heart of a knife shop.It make take all of your money but having a good one is most important. With your background and perhaps a bit of help from friends why not build a NWG? That's a no weld grinder. Sure you may want to weld it up when you have it finished. I believe the complete plans are available from USAknifemaker supply for $25 or so. It will make up a 2" x 72" size machine and that is what you want. Belts in this size are available readily available in all sorts of grits.If you are going for a main contact wheel I suggest a 12" or at least a 10" If you set it up just for flat grinding put a glass piroceran platen on it. A variable speed drive can be good to but pretty expensive. Go to a three step pulley system which realkly isn't all that expensive to instal but will be very helpful at times, like when grinding with fine grit belts. Just a bit of info to start. I think this would give you what will work well for you for many years. Frank
 
Yea, Im pretty sure i want a VFD. And, I do like the look of the NWG. The only thing that had me worried in the past, was where to go searching for all the miscellaneous parts to come up with the finished product. But, perhaps its easier than i think and the parts can be bought without guessing and asking tons of questions about which size arbour, wheels bearing, etc., you know? I will go back and look more at that now. I heard somewhere that it has a lot of vibration though?
I like Polar Bear site, because I can buy all the parts i need or don't need right there on his site. This seems like a stress free way of going about it, so that is still in my top few ideas.
Also found this from Salem Straub, i think http://www.2x72beltgrinder.com/default.html
Thanks Frank.

Dave
 
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I would make sure no matter what kind of grinder it is, it has interchangeable tooling
arms. That alone can pretty much make a grinders versatility. I like the idea of step
pulleys as a lower cost no frills speed reduction thats really going to last .
Ken.
 
I am just putting the finishing touches on my polar bear forge grinder in a box. I am so excited to be getting this thing finished. I had to space out my purchases and work on it when cash became available. I am going to have about $950 in it with a VFD. The most expensive part was the VFD!

I got a 2HP inverter duty motor here. Seems pretty good for a china motor. With the price I should be able to get most of my money back in scrap if it doesn't last that long. :D

http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Motors/AC_Motors_-_General_Purpose_and_Inverter_Duty_(0.25_-_300HP)/AC_Motors-General_Purpose,_Rolled_Steel,_IronHorse_(0.33_-_2HP)/3-Phase_Motors,_56C_(0.33_-_2HP)/MTR-002-3BD36

I got my KBDA-27D VFD from here and it is awesome! I can't wait to get it all wired up. You can go with the KBAC-27D but it does not come with a On/Off AC Line Switch or a Forward-Stop-Reverse Switch. When you add these on you are at $380 and the digital output one is $394. For $14 more dollars having that many more options made the jump for me.

http://www.electricmotorwholesale.com/9543-KBDA-27D/

I purchased my wheels from Beaumont Metal Works. They are nice and are a little cheaper then on the USA knifemaker website.

Since it seems like you have plenty of the skills needed to drill and tap holes on the GIB. I really like that there are 2 tooling arm posts for more adjustments for a work rest. For the price cut out you can't beat it...in my opinion. You can really wrap up a ton of time researching the crap out of these grinders!

Good luck on your search! Let us know if you have anymore questions!!!
 
Lots of good advice above about tooling arms and contact wheels, I'll just add that my recommendation would be towards a GIB if you can build it, or Jose Navarro's "Pheer" grinders.

You're getting a drill press- that's good. My next recommendation after the grinder is to get a portaband, or a 4x6 green metal bandsaw from HF or Northern. They can be used for wood in a knife shop, and will save you a lot of time and elbow grease.

Then, drop $75 on sandpaper in 280, 400, and 600 grit Rhynowet Redline brand from Supergrit. http://www.supergrit.com/products/products_sheets-brownredao.asp This will take care of all your handle and blade sanding needs up to 600, which is a good user finish to stop at. Handles and fittings can be buffed after 600.

Grinder, drill press, bandsaw, and good sandpaper are the most important things to me daily (outside of the forge area.) Oh, and a vise or two as well as some knife boards to hold things when sanding, etc. Some small files and some sort of buffing machine are good, too. I just took my single speed buffers out of commission, and built myself a grinding belt driven buffing arm for my variable grinder, works great.

A nice knife can be made with these tools. Everything else will accumulate gradually as your addiction to knifemaking and shop building matures and deepens.
 
First off, David, thanx for posting this, I am currently in a similar position as you. I have been researching grinders to hopefully purchase one in the coming months. From what I have found, the "Pheer" grinders are actually a pretty good deal, but I would upgrade to a NEMA 4 enclosure for the vfd. Not a whole lot of guys have these yet, but reviews I have read say that they run very smooth. I am down to GIB or NWG and the Pheer.

I also know how it feels to have your tools stolen, about 6 years ago, a less than faithfull live in girlfriend's new boyfriend stole 90% of all my tools, including all my bike tools as I was working as a master bike mechanic at the time. Talk about a double whammy, she broke my heart and all my tools were gone. There is a bit of poetic justice involved, but this thread is not the place for that story...

Either way you go, do keep up posting on here and the many experts here will be sure to steer you (and I) in the right direction. Btw, Sears Craftsman files aren't half bad and are covered under the guarantee, so when worn out go get a new one for free! Great way to reduce a repeated expense.


-Xander
 
I love my GIB. Depending on your scrounging ability and spare time it'd be my first recommendation.
If you only have limited time then maybe a Craftsman 2"x42". It'll leave you money for belts, a vise, steel, drill bits, a drill press and handle material.
You could sell a few knives then use the money to build a GIB or NWG.
$1,100 is honestly tight for anything other than a Coote if you need to buy all the stuff like belts, handle material etc. I bought budget wheels from USAKnifemaker and wish I'd have saved for Beaumont wheels.

Keep in mind one othe option that's ALWAYS overlooked. A 9" reversible disc grinder. It can do plunges, full flat grinds, profiling, etc. It might be an even better option than a Craftsman.

As far as building a NWG. Tracy at USAKnifemaker also now sells the entire NWG steel parts needed cut to size.

Good luck and let us know what you do!

Be sure to look locally at plastic stores for Micarta.
Some guys here like the Harbor Freight drill presses.
 
Okay guys, I really do appreciate the advice.
I am really leaning towards either the NWG, GIB, or Pheer at this point. I really want something, like i said, that I will keep for years as my main grinder. I am confident I can tap the holes and all for something like the NWG, and the fact that sites like USAKnifemaker sells all the parts is a huge bonus for me.
I haven't heard much about the Pheer grinders, they seem to be kind of a new thing? Does anyone have experience with it? And does it have interchangeable tool arms?

KHDaily, thanks for the great links. That polar bear forge site keeps getting my attention.

Salem, yea, the buffer and band saw are next! any chance we can get a pic of that buffing arm you made? sounds awesome.

Fast14, yea, I am down to those 3 choices i think too. I really want a freaking KMG, but hot damn, they are expensive. Sorry to hear that you have a similar disheartening story such as mine, but it does make me feel a bit better i am not by myself out there with my bad luck!

Brian, thanks. Would you say the GIB is better than the others in this category? and for what reasons, if you don't mind telling. I know $1100 is not a whole lot of money, but it is what i have right now, so I want to buy the best i can, and the rest will follow shortly Im sure.

I appreciate all the help so far, more than you know, as I know from reading that these threads come up all the time. So again, thanks for your patience. This thread alone, helped to jog my memory a bit, and now I am really getting excited. I barely slept last night just because I was thinking so much about my new grinder!

Any word on if I can buy one of those milling table attachments for the old Craftsmen(im pretty sure, gotta look again) drill press from my buddies father who was a machinist? And, will it work as a make shift mill? Just thinking out loud really, but would love to save money and be able to use that for odd things like milling slots, instead of buying something like a small mill? If not, I can just buy a HF drill press or something cheap, but i love the look of this older vintage looking press, and hope i can do cool stuff with it because it is so big and heavy duty. It is at least 6 foot tall, standing on the ground, and I am cringing thinking about moving it to my house with my bad back, so that will definitely be fun!
Thanks again for everything so far, keep throwing out ideas!
As soon as i decide, I will let you guys know!!!

Thanks again to all so far for the advice and help.

Dave Weglarz
 
A cross slide on a drill press will not really take the place of a mill. I've used such a setup for routing out tang cavities in micarta and G10 scales, but that's about as heavy as I'd care to try it. Drill press bearings are not the same as mill bearings, they are not engineered to take radial loads well. Plus, your chuck or spindle will have a taper somewhere in it holding things together- which can loosen with a heavy radial load, ejecting the chuck and cutter, hopefully not into you.

I'd keep the big press for sure, and get a small one to boot. Sometimes you'll have to drill a larger hole that the little press would just wuss out on.

The Pheer grinder does have an interchangeable tooling arm design. They seem like a good value, especially with a VFD. But out of all of them, the GIB strikes my fancy as the nicest, most solid machine of the lot if you are not afraid of tapping some holes.

Here's a pic of my buffing arm. It's on a variable 3hp grinder that I built.

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I like the GIB for a couple reasons.
One, it's built like a tank. I welded my upright to the base instead of tapping it, and bolted the rest together. It's built to last a lifetime.
Two, I was able to spread the cost over a couple months and build as I could afford more parts.
Three, Unky Gumby on here bought one before I did and did a good WIP build and it really made my build easier.
Four, building a GIB with direct drive and adding a VFD gave me variable speed.

You could buy an 8" wheel from Beaumont(KMG)$259, a tracking wheel and drive from USAKnifemaker $107 and a 1ph 56c face 1725RPM motor from Ebay for $100 with the GIB kit for $280...add in bolts, nuts washers, a tool arm for the wheel and a switch n power cord and you'll be under $900.
You can save $100 by buying an 8" wheel from USAKnifemaker but with all Tracy's budget wheels you will have to deal with the lack of a spacer between the bearings. This causes some drag on the bearings when you lock the wheels in place. But then you'd be under $800....
Later when you can afford it you can get a 3ph motor and a VFD for full variable speed.
 
Okay, I definitely didn't think it would be dangerous with the mill thing, so I guess i will wait for that. Although it sounds great for slots in handles for hidden tang knives and the like.
Okay, I'm liking that buffing arm attachment there Sir. Very cool.

SO, Im getting a bit more confused now.....Some say the NWG is the most solid and smooth running, others say the GIB is better. Im sure they are both(well, all 3) great, but wouldn't mind hearing a bit more about the differences between them.
And, as far as the wheel is concerned. Im not sure really. I hear that the best place to start is with a 8", but Im not sure what the difference will really be between different size wheels(I like the idea of a 10" or bigger! haha), until i get them in my hands. Then I can see what the different wheels will do, but I hate thinking about buying more of anything that I need with this grinder, as I see that it gets expensive pretty quick. But, if a 10 inch is better for some reason(other than shallower hollow grinds, for a stronger hollow grind, I think?) than I can always wait a few weeks until I get the money to buy the bigger one right off the bat. So, if you can tell me what you prefer to use different size wheels for on your knives, that would be awesome. Obviously, the small wheel attachment is for finger grooves, and so on, but why, lets say, go with a 8" as opposed to a 6" or 10 or 12?
And, man, it would sure be cool if I could find that WIP of the grinder Unky Gumbi did, I remember reading some of it, but can't remember how long ago now. Anyways, again, thanks to everyone for helping guide me in the right direction.
It is a very good thing of course, that I can also add things in time also, as I understand my budget is not so big. But hey, its something to get me started!
Btw, those Pheer grinders look really cool too. Im liking those too, but I really do enjoy hearing your opinions for which is the BEST, and why? Or why not, too.
Great advice so far guys. Thank you.

This is crazy, I'm going back pages and pages in the threads, and can't find hardly any of the info Im looking for about grinders. Don't get me wrong, I KNOW its there, but every time i don't have the money for a grinder, every 10 threads or so is about a NWG, GIB, or whatever. Now that I have the cash, I can't find anything. This is frustrating, maybe I am just brushing right over them in my anxiousness or something.....I also don't want to just jump in a get one, and then realize a month later that i would have killed for the other one for some weird specific reason or something.......this is getting the best of me now I fear, I feel like pulling my hair out :eek:

Man, I can't wait till I just have it ordered, and then the real waiting will start haha. Wow, Im way too excited about this :D



Dave
 
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Your experience as a Auto Mech tells me that you could easily build your own (any way you want) I just completed mine, took a few months to find/assemble all the parts but I found everything I needed from normal knife supply sources you can pm me if you like.

Something about building your own is a lot of fun (for me anyway) now all I have to do is give it some color (Chevy orange metallic) and build a work rest.

To be honest, I could have bought the KMG-PL and been ready to go sooner with about the same cost (if you figure time taken away from building knives), this will be my plan of action for my next grinder.
 
Time is the main cost in building your own grinder. Steve has a point. If you put a price on your time( does it take away from auto repairs) then buying a budget KMG, Pheer etc will be worth it. Spend the same time making knives to sell. Building a grinder is a good lesson in metal work for novice knifemakers. You'll learn the value of SLOW drilling speeds and proper firm pressure with the use of cutting lube when drilling holes. Look up the old threads on tapping holes if you buy a NWG, or a GIB before you tap unless you already have experience tapping.

I just got an 8" wheel and have yet to use it so I can't offer advice on if bigger is better.

I enjoy making stuff. But building tools takes up a huge amount of time. If you have little time to spare, save and buy tools already made.

I don't think a NWG is smoother than a GIB or KMG.

BTW, check Craig'slist 3-10 times a day, or better yet set up search alerts on your account.
Look for belt grinder, belt sander, grinder, sander... I recently got an old Wilton square wheel with stand for $200 with 30 belts. He had it listed as a 2"x36" when it was a 2"x72"... That's a second way to get a grinder. Don't forget you'll need $100+- in belts to start.
 
Time may be an important commodity in a build of a grinder, but if you figure the time most of us spent and still use learning to grind blades then forget about the time element. If you are going to get a wheel buy the 10" one minimum size. That GIB seems to have great recommendations. Frank
 
After considering the time to build and the possibility of doing something wrong I prefer a budget KMG. You can build your own tooling arms. The large base plate is really nice since it is drilled precisely for mounting a motor and the grinder. The wheel you choose is mostly determined based on your typical blade heights and type of hollow grinding you plan. I don't hollow grind, so I mostly use my wheel for profiling the blade and handle shape. I really don't know how people get away without a small wheel - like 3/4 inch. Anyway, 3 Phase motors are usually so much cheaper on Ebay compared to single phase, the cost of a VFD makes it not too bad, you may be able to build a nema 4 enclosure or place VFD in a adjoining room. If you have 220V go with a 2 HP motor.

The above choices are all very good. I would guess most of the knife makers have about $2000 into their grinders with accessories and a few get the $4000 models. The 9" disc grinder may be a good idea to start out. Good luck
 
Okay guys. Some more questions.
R.Rock you gave me a cool idea. Could i ever afford a KMG? Well, I thought they were a lot more expensive than I figured. It doesn't even seem too bad, really.
I am thinking now something like the KMG PL, or the KMG 10 if I can justify getting the wheel, if the wheel is only really good for is hollows. Im still not sure how much hollow grinding I will even do. I know that must sound funny, but I want to test the waters, with my own particular skill set, and see what i will enjoy the most. But, i know i need to start with a platen at least for flat grinds and bevels, but that seems kind of a cheaper price than expected for the grinder setup being a KMG and all. I would have thought, from all the great things i have heard about KMG over the years, that this would be 2 or 3 times the price of one of the other grinders. So, what is the deal with this? Am i missing something? I know i will have to supply the motor, but im sure i can find one to use around somewhere. But, if all the grinders are about in the same price range, wouldn't it make sense to go with the KMG over the others? Please again, excuse my ignorance. I just want to know what you guys feel.
Just for the hell of it, i went to check some prices on Burr Kings, and YUP, that is what I would have figured the price to be! So, I am not sure why I thought the KMG was in the same price range. I guess its lack of sleep........

oh, and of course, thanks again
I do keep an eye on Craigslist all the time, haven't come across anything too great yet...
 
Yes, I think the base price of the KMG is terrific. The accessories can add up. But frankly, your first order of steel, handles, belts, sandpaper will probably $1000. Almost all the knifemakers do it for the love of the craft and therefor are very helpful. Look at how much time and supplies goes into a $150 knife.
 
Yes, I am also really liking the base price of the KMG. The more I look at it, the more I want one. I guess I was wrong about them being so expensive, maybe i was thinking about a bader or burr king or something else. Wow, those Baders are up there too! But, how would you say the KMG stacks up against these other three choices, the GIB, Pheer, and NWG? I am curious now what you guys think about the KMG, as I hold your opinions very highly, and want to buy the best I can afford. It seems that the price will go up quick if I start adding on a ton of extras, but so will the prices for the other ones too if I add stuff. So, what say you about the KMG-PL or the KMG-10?
And, it seems that the real money for these things is in the motor. Would I be able to buy the KMG and supply my own motor? I am sure I can get one for less than the $400-$1000 price tag for the motors that KMG sells.
Also, can someone explain step pulleys to me? If i get step pulleys, does that cut out the need for a VFD? I really like the KMG idea so far the best I think, based on the good things I have heard about them, but it doesn't make sense if i need to purchase the high end expensive motors for them, instead of being able to go a cheaper route with the motor and VFD thing. I know I will love the option for different speeds, but I am thinking maybe I can find a more sensible way of going about this, like a cheap used motor, and a cheaper VFD controller, or the step pulley thing if that works in its place. Please elaborate a small bit on this if you can....
WooHoo.......do I need to say Im excited?

dave
 
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