First aid?

R.A.T. said:
Moose, the skin was cut to relieve pressure. It didn't split.
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Gotcha, I got to wondering about that after I posted that. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I was having a time with that.

Moose
 
Here's a "decent" trauma module: http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/item/04175/m-law/-SWAT-(LEMM-SW)---------------------------------

Personally I'd double up on the Quikclot or go to Combat Gauze since there is much more of it that can be used. I'd also double up on the 4x7 dressings since there is a lot of gauze on these things that you can pack wounds with and they hardly take up any space at all. If nothing else, the Mora fans can start fires with the gauze using their fire steels :D

We are working on our own version of a "gun shot" kit since bleeding out is probably one of the fastest "preventable" ways to do die in an accident
 
Geared Ex said:
I like to keep things like the insides of myself a mystery
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I have no problem looking at trauma in an accident. What turns my stomach is watching surgeries. I blow right by the medical channel on TV because the easiest way to get me light headed is to watch them do a simple elbow surgery or something. With that said, it doesn't bother me at all to watch them do that same stuff on me. Just can't stand watching it done on another person.
 
i have quik clot coming in the mail i cant find it anywhere here in canada. I was actually curious about the combat gauze but i dont know much about it, ill have to do some reading.
 
R.A.T. said:
I have no problem looking at trauma in an accident. What turns my stomach is watching surgeries. I blow right by the medical channel on TV because the easiest way to get me light headed is to watch them do a simple elbow surgery or something. With that said, it doesn't bother me at all to watch them do that same stuff on me. Just can't stand watching it done on another person.
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I'm fascinated by it, myself. Not to say I want to do it for a living or anything.:)

Man, that Qwik Clot stuff works well, but man it burns. I swear I saw smoke coming off a cut I got when I tried it out the first time. Good stuff though, next time I have to use it, I will be braced for the pain, but I never knew it the first time, and man, that will wake ya up in tha mornin'.

Good post, I'm learning a ton here.

Moose
 
moosez45 said:
I'm fascinated by it, myself. Not to say I want to do it for a living or anything.:)

Man, that Qwik Clot stuff works well, but man it burns. I swear I saw smoke coming off a cut I got when I tried it out the first time. Good stuff though, next time I have to use it, I will be braced for the pain, but I never knew it the first time, and man, that will wake ya up in tha mornin'.

Good post, I'm learning a ton here.

Moose
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Depends on what hemostatic you use on much it will burn. Were you using the powder or the sponge?
 
R.A.T. said:
Depends on what hemostatic you use on much it will burn. Were you using the powder or the sponge?
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Powder. It was a 2" cut on my upper thigh, not too wide, but deeper than I would have wanted it.

Moose
 
Guys, be sure to research the type of hemostatics you are buying to use in your kits. Wished there were some experienced folks weighing in on this thread when it comes to hemostatics. I'm a total idiot when it comes to using these and merely taking advice from someone I trust. At the very LEAST, be sure to read the instructions on how to use the hemostatics.
 
R.A.T. said:
I have no problem looking at trauma in an accident. What turns my stomach is watching surgeries. I blow right by the medical channel on TV because the easiest way to get me light headed is to watch them do a simple elbow surgery or something. With that said, it doesn't bother me at all to watch them do that same stuff on me. Just can't stand watching it done on another person.
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Wow. Usually it's the opposite. I have no problem watching others (unless it's my kids) but I don't want to know what they're doing to me if I need something done.
 
R.A.T. said:
Yep, the powder I have seen demonstrated gets extremely hot.
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I got some jagged metal on an HVAC duct across the thigh, as we were moving some stuff around. I work on most my own wounds, so, as soon as I got a chance to use the QC, I did. I had been wanting to test it out since I got it.

The stuff works, for serious bleeders, that stuff is the best thing to come out in a long time.

Now I have to look for the sponge version. I heard that they are making it in a trauma bandage now, that you stuff in the wound channel. Couldn't imagine how that would feel, but its better than leaking out, and death.

I too wish some pro's would weigh in, and please use layman's terms when you can, professional medical type peoples. Big words make brain hurt.:D

Moose
 
Moose, from my understanding the gauzes don't get as hot as the powder. The link I posted above is from chinook med. They carry the combat gauze, celox gauze, all the Quikclot products, etc.
 
R.A.T. said:
Moose, from my understanding the gauzes don't get as hot as the powder. The link I posted above is from chinook med. They carry the combat gauze, celox gauze, all the Quikclot products, etc.
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Much thanks. I'll be gettin' into some of that soon. My kit is need of a serious update.

Moose
 
R.A.T. said:
Yep, but it's probably gonna do some wicked tissue damage :)

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I am fortunate that i am only 30 min from Galveston the closest place to have antivenom....the topic came up of not being able to get antivenom because My hunting lease is 4 hrs from houston or galveston.....Now of course for a human we would life flight to one of those hospitals...But for livestock or pets or in the event someones was in the thick wilderness several days in we were discussing best course of action...I start my emt training on march 31, but i really wished i could have attended the seminar yesterday in Galveston....It sounded like it would have been informative.
 
They are always coming up with new methods, most are bullshit but there seems to be a group of vets now saying high doses of Vitamin C (subcutaneous) immediately after the bite is helping dogs that have been bitten by poisonous snakes. Also direct injection of steroids.
 
I have used the Quikclot stuff in combat. Itwas like a little sheet of it that came in a silver wrapper. We stuck that on the wound and then the medic had me put a tourniquet on and then I was back into the fire fight we were in. It seemed to be working and then all of the bleeding stopped when I put the tourniquet on. Wish I could be more help on how it worked but I was kind of preoccupied when I used it.

Just in case any one gets to wondering, The other soldier was medivaced out and didn't lose his leg or his life. He is a good kid and still serving after making a full recovery.


mlrs
 
For the animals they were saying to irrigate the wound, immobilize the victim(without elevating the bite area)..then treat with antibacterials...again focussing on the wound more than the venom.....it is interesting and educational....but like you said..someone will have a new or just different method next time.
 
mlrs said:
I have used the Quikclot stuff in combat. Itwas like a little sheet of it that came in a silver wrapper. We stuck that on the wound and then the medic had me put a tourniquet on and then I was back into the fire fight we were in. It seemed to be working and then all of the bleeding stopped when I put the tourniquet on. Wish I could be more help on how it worked but I was kind of preoccupied when I used it.

Just in case any one gets to wondering, The other soldier was medivaced out and didn't lose his leg or his life. He is a good kid and still serving after making a full recovery.


mlrs
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Appreciate the input from first hand experience. Also appreciate you for doing what you do!
 
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