First aid?

I think snake bites affect animals different. My folks had a rat tarrier that took a bite to the face from a prairie rattler. It swelled his face up and the took him to the old country vet. Al he did was give the dog some benadryl and told them if it happened again to do the same thing. One of thier neighbors dogs got bit a couple times a year. He would walk around with his face swollen up for a while and be fine. The vet told my folks that as long as it doesn't close off the airway the dogs will be fine.


mlrs
 
mlrs: same thing happened to a shepherd of mine. Bit on the nose and all that happened was his neck swelled about the size of a football. I kept him hydrated and in about 4 hours he was back to normal.
 
R.A.T. said:
Moose, from my understanding the gauzes don't get as hot as the powder. The link I posted above is from chinook med. They carry the combat gauze, celox gauze, all the Quikclot products, etc.
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R.A.T. & Moose - the Gen 3 version of QuikClot products which has been out since '08 has no heat. The powdered products haven't been sold for a couple of years. Check out http://www.z-medica.com/healthcare/About-Us/QuikClot-Product-History.aspx from the manufacturer's website. I follow this stuff pretty closely as parents get really pissed when their kids get hurt while camping or hiking so we do whatever we can to minimize any bleeding as safely and painlessly as possible. I like the QC stuff because its non-biological and minimizes the risk of infection. The gauze products are hard to get for non-military/non-medical folks but its out there. I carry it with me everywhere!
 
CTSoutDad: First off, thanks for the info. Second: do you think the QC with Collodial Silver offers better protection from infection?
 
This is what I get issued.

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It has a C-A-T tourniquet, an Isreali bandage, gauze, tape, rubber gloves, and nose tube to help open an airway.

Jeff,
If you want one of these let me know. I have an extra just sitting around that I will send to you.


mlrs
 
Appreciate the offer but I have samples of that exact kit coming my way. The CAT tourniquet is suppose to be one of the best there is. Is your gauze Combat Gauze? That's a good trauma kit. Everone needs to copy that in their regular kit.
 
It just says compressed gauze sterile crinkle cotton folded fluff bandage. It is just whatever the Army put in there. I have never used it. I usually have a CLS bag that I dip into if I need it. The C-A-T is awsome. I have used it a couple of times. You can put it on youself if need be. It is real easy to use. I am with you. I think everyone needs to have some kind of trauma kit when they are out. I know some of the stuff is expensive but how much is a life worth.


mlrs
 
Its amazing how fast the CAT gets TIGHT! Very easy to apply to yourself, quickly. If I spent time in a combat zone, I would probably carry more than one - since I have more than one extremity.

mlrs- what size is your NPA? 28f? Does it fit you?
 
_DZ_ said:
Its amazing how fast the CAT gets TIGHT! Very easy to apply to yourself, quickly. If I spent time in a combat zone, I would probably carry more than one - since I have more than one extremity.

mlrs- what size is your NPA? 28f? Does it fit you?
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It is a 28f. We had to acually use them on each other in training and it fit for me and the other troop I used it on. I think they just give out one size in those kits. I never really paid attention tho. No one else seemed to have trouble with thiers either.


mlrs
 
R.A.T. said:
What turns my stomach is watching surgeries. I blow right by the medical channel on TV because the easiest way to get me light headed is to watch them do a simple elbow surgery or something.
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When our youngest daughter was born via c-section (non-emergency) and I got to be in the room, I couldn't resist watching part of the process. It's crazy how all that junk can fit inside a person. No stomach turning on my part, but lots of fascination.
 
mlrs said:
It is a 28f. We had to acually use them on each other in training and it fit for me and the other troop I used it on. I think they just give out one size in those kits. I never really paid attention tho. No one else seemed to have trouble with thiers either.


mlrs
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It could have fit, or it could have been too short to do the job. Too long and the air can go down the esophagus to the stomach and not the lungs. I was taught to check the length by going from in between the nostrils to the bottom of the ear lobe. Im a 32.
 
DZ: appreciate that tip. I was wondering what a quick way to determine the proper size was.
 
_DZ_ said:
It could have fit, or it could have been too short to do the job. Too long and the air can go down the esophagus to the stomach and not the lungs. I was taught to check the length by going from in between the nostrils to the bottom of the ear lobe. Im a 32.
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Thanks. I will check that out.


mlrs
 
You're welcome. I recently took a CPR/AED course (my first medical training course) at Commonwealth Criminal Justice Academy. The instructors were really first-rate: several medics, two of which are active duty SOF, a couple local EMTs and a trauma surgeon.
Without sounding too much like an infomercial:
It was great! We learned taking basic vitals, how to perform CPR and how/when to use an AED.
When the class got moving we learned how to use a couple different tourniquets to stop bleeding from extremities. We learned how to pack wounds with gauze and how to properly use hemostatic agents. Combat Gauze was the only recommended product. We were also taught to identify and respond to tension pnuemothorax, aka a sucking chest wound.
I spend a lot of time on commercial construction sites, hunting, hiking, fishing, etc. I am really excited to finally have some useful and potentially life-saving knowledge.
Taking a first aid class of some sort has been on my list for a long time. I think everyone should take at least a basic class.
They are going to be offering an open enrollment austere/wilderness medicine course in the future. Can't wait for that one.
 
mlrs said:
This is what I get issued.
It has a C-A-T tourniquet, an Israeli bandage, gauze, tape, rubber gloves, and nose tube to help open an airway.mlrs
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That is the start of a"blow out kit", Its kinda the tire patch kit for the human body, and that kit addresses hemorrhage really well. You would first use the time honored direct pressure this is going to slow/stop bleeding and prevent edema,(swelling caused by trapped fluids in the underlying tissue layers) That is what the gauze is for. If the victimor you can't hold pressure then you go to the Israeli Bandage, this is a multifunction device. If you have to step up to the quick clot SAVE THE PACKAGING I want to know what kinda stuff you used on my patient don't make me curse on scene my bosses frown on it. If you still have bleeding go to the tourniquet if applicable.

Sorry for the text wall if anybody is interested I can talk about what I would add to that kit and make it a true "blow out kit". Before we get into that though you have to know if you try to use any kind of first aid gear that you are not knowledgeable in how to use you are gonna FUBAR someone or kill them. That is not some a person protecting his gig or his clan or his clique this is real deal life and death.
 
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hunter s thompson said:
That is the start of a"blow out kit", Its kinda the tire patch kit for the human body, and that kit addresses hemorrhage really well. You would first use the time honored direct pressure this is going to slow/stop bleeding and prevent edema,(swelling caused by trapped fluids in the underlying tissue layers) That is what the gauze is for. If the victimor you can't hold pressure then you go to the Israeli Bandage, this is a multifunction device. If you have to step up to the quick clot SAVE THE PACKAGING I want to know what kinda stuff you used on my patient don't make me curse on scene my bosses frown on it. If you still have bleeding go to the tourniquet if applicable.

Sorry for the text wall if anybody is interested I can talk about what I would add to that kit and make it a true "blow out kit". Before we get into that though you have to know if you try to use any kind of first aid gear that you are not knowledgeable in how to use you are gonna FUBAR someone or kill them. That is not some a person protecting his gig or his clan or his clique this is real deal life and death.
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I am not trying to be argumentative or anything so I hope it doesn't seem that way. I am just telling what has happened to me. I understand the whole process and how to do it and that is good for everyone to know. Speaking from the personal experiences I had, I didn't have time to do all of that. I took a ricochete in the forearm when I was dragging this guy to cover and had to do something fast to get back into a fight. Trust me when I tell you that when the lead is flying you don't always have the time to go thru all of the steps. But, having said that, the way is the best way to do it is by following all of the steps.


mlrs
 
mlrs said:
I am not trying to be argumentative or anything so I hope it doesn't seem that way. I am just telling what has happened to me. I understand the whole process and how to do it and that is good for everyone to know. Speaking from the personal experiences I had, I didn't have time to do all of that. I took a ricochete in the forearm when I was dragging this guy to cover and had to do something fast to get back into a fight. Trust me when I tell you that when the lead is flying you don't always have the time to go thru all of the steps. But, having said that, the way is the best way to do it is by following all of the steps.mlrs
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No problem I don't see you as being argumentative at all. We really need to define what kinda first aid we are talking about here. I am willing to bet that 90% of the audience for this thread has no one shooting at them on daily basis. The steps are there but one needs training to know when to throw them out the window. For example in an amputation you are probably going to go right to the tourniquet and the quick clot, for a head wound don't use the tourniquet :D.
 
R.A.T. said:
CTSoutDad: First off, thanks for the info. Second: do you think the QC with Collodial Silver offers better protection from infection?
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Well hell since I am already into it might as well step into this one too.

Jeff, colloidal silver is supposedly effective against fungi and bacteria, depending on how much actual silver there is in it in the solution. In 1996 the FDA proposed a ban on Colloidal silver in OTC products. The ban came through in 1999 and The rule applies to any nonprescription colloidal silver or silver salt product claimed to be effective in preventing or treating any disease. I have no ideal of the effectiveness of the the Quick Clot Product but there is what I know about Colloidal Silver. Even if you decide to use it I wouldn't use it quite a lot silver exposure has been known to cause Argyria (don't read that link Moose brain pain inside :D)



(a lot of that is pulled of the net FWIW sounds better than most of its a laod of crap)
 
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