First Rifle Question

Dave, I just sent you an e-mail linking to a:

CZ452 Training Rifle -

GA#976480014

Take a look and see what you think. Same as higher priced versions but with a beech stock to hold down the price. It's selling for $239 US plus shipping and transfer fees, so you might be able to get it for $300 US from a Canadian Gunshop. Walnut stocked would cost more but be worth it to me, at around $4-500.

A Ruger 77/22 would be in the same area as well as the Remington 504 model.

All three are Mens', rather than Boys', rifles.

You might get lucky and find a Browning or Winchester 52 for around 4 or 5 hundred. ( edit: make that closer to $700-$800 even for the Browning Japanese repproductions )

Get any one of them, take good care of it, and it'll give you 40 or 50 years worth of pleasure and you can pass it on to a grandson or great-grandson in slightly used but perfectly functional shape.
 
Thank you very much Rusty. I think that getting a good bolt action rifle wouldn't be the worst purchase you could make.

Something that my future son or daughter could use.
 
Dave Hahn said:
here's one to ponder. i need to obtain a permit to transport my firearm to a specific place at a specific time.

you can get a longer period permit, like a shooting range to cover a few years (have to check). i might be exaggerating, but i believe i have interpreted the law correctly.
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Have you thought about moving again?

I know that I'm not as free as my grandfathers. I know that I'm not as free as what I imagine my forefathers thought I'd be. But you got it bad (IMHO, YMMV)

(P.S. I still vote for the 10/22 and a K-frame Smith)
 
I forgot that some semiautos can be converted into a single action mode. You have to manually rack the bolt after each shot, I guess thats what you'd call single action :confused: . My T/C Benchmark does this with a little switch inside the action, im not sure about the 10/22s.
 
since i've never ever ever been shot, they must be working
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Um...but, there are people in even the worst areas in the world, crime-wise, who haven't been shot either... :confused:

Anyway, the CZ 452 would be a terrific choice.

J
 
Spectre said:
Um...but, there are people in even the worst areas in the world, crime-wise, who haven't been shot either... :confused:

J
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Well they must be terribly lucky then. :p
 
OK then, Dave...

You live in a place where the gun ownership laws are rigid. So be it. No use complaining about that.

Now, see what you can do about it. There must be gun clubs where you can learn on their guns--renting, leasing, borrowing---whatever.

If you want to learn the skill...hell, get a decent air rifle. It would not be quite the same, but the fundementals are the same.

This shouldn't turn into a thread about gun control, but rather, "Dave Training." :)

You have a good life and livelihood without a rifle so far. I see no reason why that shouldn't continue, even if you have to join a club.

Have fun. Learn the skill before you invest big money in a rifle.





Be well and safe.
 
Kismet said:
OK then, Dave...

You live in a place where the gun ownership laws are rigid. So be it. No use complaining about that.

Now, see what you can do about it. There must be gun clubs where you can learn on their guns--renting, leasing, borrowing---whatever.

If you want to learn the skill...hell, get a decent air rifle. It would not be quite the same, but the fundementals are the same.

This shouldn't turn into a thread about gun control, but rather, "Dave Training." :)

You have a good life and livelihood without a rifle so far. I see no reason why that shouldn't continue, even if you have to join a club.

Have fun. Learn the skill before you invest big money in a rifle.





Be well and safe.
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Your absolutely right Kismet and thank you for reminding me. I appreciate everyone's advice.
 
Dave, I would get a decent bolt action .22. I second these gents that say that it helps a newbie make the first shot count. I've owned autos,pumps,levers,bolts in .22. I've owned a Ruger 10/22 for over 20 years. Get a bolt gun to start, especially if you think you will want a larger caliber bolt gun in the future for hunting big game. Your familiarity with the action will help. Secondly, your country is probably going to follow suit of Mother England and Brother Australia ~ I give them 5 years and they will want to confiscate your semi auto any ways :( :mad: :barf:

I think that it is great that you are pursueing the art of the rifle, it will become a lifelong adventure and passion :)
 
Dave,

Check your knowledge of the laws up there. I talked with a friend who said that the transit permits applies only to handguns, not long guns. He also said the inital ownership permit for ALL guns costs 300-500 dollars.


worth investigating, eh?
 
No use complaining?
Last time I checked, that was the main idea behind democracy.
Call, write and send a pigeon to your reps in congress, parliament, whatever and tell them you want these permits and excessive gun laws changed!
Get your friends to do it too.
Excercise your rights.

Now that I am off of my presidential party platform, may I suggest that you do not actually BUY a training rifle.
Call the NRA or the local gun club and ask about a beginners' course.
I bet they have all kinds of rifles you can use and learn on.
After you get the safety and skills down good, then go shopping for a nice all-purpose rifle.
A Winchester or a Remington bolt action .308 is just about the most useful rifle ever made.
Sure, I like CETMEs and FALs, but a good bolt-action 308 is a perfect do-it-all rifle.

Ask any ghost of WW1 and he'll tell you that it works pretty well in combat too, in case you're thinking about that....
 
Dave Hahn said:
boy, what a wealth of info.

i have to laugh though, as you guys are not aware of the restrictions on firearms here in Canada.

here's one to ponder. i need to obtain a permit to transport my firearm to a specific place at a specific time.

so if i go to Joe's gun shop repair i need a permit to go to his place exactly on Saturday. now if Joe can't fix it, i need to request another permit to go to Bob's gun shop next week. if i gave my firearms to my next door neighbour to look after while i'm on vacation, i need a permit to transport it even though he may literally 5 feet away.

you can get a longer period permit, like a shooting range to cover a few years (have to check). i might be exaggerating, but i believe i have interpreted the law correctly.

for me to plink cans out in the wild wouldn't be practical. i believe that outdoors i can only carry magazines with a 3 round capacity? i know that when you're hunting you are only allowed to carry 3 round magazines for sure. than i'd need a permit. hmm... i think i need to check on that.
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Wow! That's hardcore! I'd go for the single shot then. Wonder if the 10/22 would be ok in Canada? Do they make a less than 10 rd mag for them? Or are detachable mags illegal too?
 
Rusty said:
All three are Mens', rather than Boys', rifles. You might get lucky and find a Browning or Winchester 52 for around 4 or 5 hundred.

Get any one of them, take good care of it, and it'll give you 40 or 50 years worth of pleasure and you can pass it on to a grandson or great-grandson in slightly used but perfectly functional shape.
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I was lucky and learned to shoot with a Winchester Model 52A .22 LR rifle. Once I got that down my Dad switched me to an octagon barrelled Winchester Model 94, and then later to a Garand.

I begged my Dad not to part with it in 1970, but he wasn't about to listen to me. The action alone on that rifle would be worth at least 7 or 8 hundred now if you could find one. This was an early Model 52A with the full sized target stock. I loved that rifle.

This is all good advice from Rusty, but as far as passing the rifle on to a grandson or great-grandson you can forget that as well in Canada. Time to move to a real country Dave where they haven't taken the failed Bristish experiment quite so far. Forget Australia as well.

Good luck and regards,

Norm
 
Thanks guys for the opinions on the SKS. BTW, already have the 12 ga. ! :) Lots of fun!

Nam
 
Actually, considering the gun laws, as well as cheap learning, and convenience I'd recommend a .22 myself...

.22 caliber pellet rifle. You can get some fantastic ones for anywhere from a shade over $100-infinity. You can even get 'em in .45 and .50 caliber if you're really hardcore. :D

That being barred, I'm with the bolt action fans. My current favorite is my Remington 541-T...hoooweee is that one a shooter. God bless garage sales!

when I was growing up I thought my parents were unusually cruel in that when I was in my teens and all my friends were running around with semi-auto Rugers and Marlins I had to keep my same old boring .22 single shot open sighted Ithica. But...looking back on it, I don't think it's a coincidence now that I rarely miss these days.
 
I agree with the idea that a bolt-action is arguably a better way to learn proper technique and gun safety. Single shot even better.
What I don't like about the beloved 10/22 is the fact that it isn't visibly clear when it's in condition one - and when it's not. I know, I know: all guns are always loaded. But still, a clear indication of when the piece is loaded and cocked is one less thing to get in the way of concentrating on learning good form. That's why I like the Colt 1911 and the SAA derivatives. It's either cocked, or it's not.
I really love my little Browning BLR lever action for that reason.
But... There are aficionados of every conceivable gun design out there. I'm sure someone reading this is thinking that you should start out with a muzzle loading matchlock musket :eek:
Which, know that I think about it, isn't such a bad idea... :D
 
Then there were the poor country kids whose parents REEEALLLY started 'em out right.

"If'n ya' starts 'em off on a 10 or 12 Guage with magnum loads that'll teach 'em to damn well respect a gun!!! Those poor kids...
 
Runs With Scissors said:
Then there were the poor country kids whose parents REEEALLLY started 'em out right.

"If'n ya' starts 'em off on a 10 or 12 Guage with magnum loads that'll teach 'em to damn well respect a gun!!! Those poor kids...
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Hey, I learned to shoot on a Remington 11-48 12 ga. The thing is a monster handed down from my grandpa. You're right, though. You don't hold it right and you'll be feelin' it for a week!

Funny (and scary!) story, BTW:

First gun I ever shot was (I think) an SKS or an AK-47. Some Eastern block assault rifle. I was like 9 years old and had never learned gun safety beyond "stay away from them." I was at a friend's birthday party in the country and we went for a hike in the woods. There, we came across my friend's neighbor, who is named Happy. Happy is, I believe, crazy. He was shooting this Eastern AR at cinder blocks at about 20 yards with hollow tips and no eye or ear protection. He asked if we wanted to shoot, and not knowing better, we did. :eek: :eek:

Then, my friend's father came out. Now, you'd expect that he'd ask Happy what the *$%! he was doing. But instead he pulled out his Glock 9 mil. and started plugging away at the block, too! Man, we sure were lucky that nobody got hurt. :eek:

After hearing about this, my dad promptly took me shooting and taught me gun safety. Made me a believer that kids really need to learn it young. And adults need to remember it from time to time!

Nam
 
They must have hated cinderblocks... You know, some types of cinderblock are soft enough that the bullet is deformed and 'muted' within. Still not a good idea, though- with kids around.


munk
 
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