Flakers? What say you Members...?

Meh, have had it happen a time or two...... stuff happens, maybe its legit maybe not. I try and be objective towards each individual situation.

Now that Im slightly craftier then I use to be, I also get to experience what its like to actually work at the request of another just to be ignored when it comes time to pony up, oh well another buyer out there somewhere it always seems.

Yeah it pizzes me off, but try not too let it as its usually just not worth the stress. I dont have an actual list of people but if such flaky person in question does pizz me off enough I will simply add them to my ignore liss as a reminder they pizzed me off in the past. Thats not to say I wont potentially do business with that person again in the future, but I will certainly take more caution in doing so again.

When someone thats backed out of a deal when say an items in transit, sorry, man-up. You pay S&H BOTH ways now that you are returning it in such a manner. And dont have some BS excuse like you changed your mind. Lame.
 
I have had the same person flake out on a trade with me like 4 times now. Call me a glutton for punishment. I won't name a name, but needless to say I think I may be done dealing with that person. I do very much hate people that flake out when the deal is done and all that needs done is exchanging shipping info.

I have had to flake out on a deal before, but the other person was extremely understanding. Right as the deal was getting finalized I lost my job, and wasn't able to land the one that would have enabled the trade.
 
No Sir, I don't like it.

The guidance in the exchange rules really offers the solution to most of the problems I see people report.

Bottom line, if your are not absolutely sure you want to trade the item don't offer it for trade, period!

I've never had it go so far that an item was shipped but I have has an instance where an individual listed what he wanted for his item and when I offered exactly that, thought we had a deal, they "changed" their mind.

Frustrating and disappointing but I moved on. If I had actually shipped my end and then they backed out, that would have been an entirely different story.
 
Yeah, I got an offer from a user last night on a knife...

"Would you accept $400 shipped to me on wisconsin. I'll add 3% to cover paypal fees. Let me know and I can send payment tonight, thank you."

and responded in 12 minutes with

"Yes sir that works. PayPal is *@*.com."

and then an hour later got

"I am gonna pass on the ****...too nice to use. Thanks anyway".

First time it's happened to me in all my dealings here, but totally sucks. Wish people would stick to their word.
 
DPRICHARD said:
Yeah, I got an offer from a user last night on a knife...

"Would you accept $400 shipped to me on wisconsin. I'll add 3% to cover paypal fees. Let me know and I can send payment tonight, thank you."

and responded in 12 minutes with

"Yes sir that works. PayPal is *@*.com."

and then an hour later got

"I am gonna pass on the ****...too nice to use. Thanks anyway".

First time it's happened to me in all my dealings here, but totally sucks. Wish people would stick to their word.
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I cannot disagree. People need to cut this out across the board, eventually their reputation of this kind of behavior will catch up to them and no one will want to deal woth them. That is also another topic I've never understood, "this knife is too nice to use?" It makes no sense at all, and pretty lame in and of itself. Well, at least you are only mildly inconvenienced and not out time or money. I can't see any rules were broken so, that is a good thing. People do have the right to change their mind before a transaction starts taking place, but pulling this crap after money has been sent and items shipped is a no go.
 
I've only been on the forum since spring and I think I have done 9 trades. All have been great. I say its BF is just a weird cultish/geekish kinda community. And entirely addicting as it feeds into what everyone really has a passion and interest for. That said, for everyone's own personal interest in knives, they should make a deal right no matter what especially at if a deal becomes a broken one. People should not be changing deals midstream and if something goes wrong like you get their knife but yours going to them is lost in the mail, then you have to make them whole.

I had done something just like that. USPS sent my trade to someone in the wrong direction of the country. The other party was nervous that they were going to get screwed in this deal. I had promised to them that in the event that my query to USPS didn't turn up the knife that I would buy them the exact same knife brand new and in their choice of color shipped direct to them. The only thing that I was waiting on was to get a final decision via USPS on the outcome of their search.

That said if nothing gets exchanged no harm no foul in my eyes. If someone flakes and nothing has been exchanged I just let it go. As someone else's trashiness is no reflection on yourself. I will personally make things right. There's been times when I went through with a deal that I didn't want to do even though hours later I actually got the trade that I wanted. But because I had agreed to an initial trade I couldn't back out. But that's just me.
 
I will often give someone a second chance but my general policy is to avoid a second transaction in these circumstances. :)
 
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I just learned that is pretty common practice in USA no matter what businesses u are in . Maybe because people here are too spoiled and have too many options so they don't know what to do first ?! I don't know ? I hate those kind of people! Words don't mean nothing in US and that is sad. I think it's the lack of appreciation for another human being. That is just my 2 cents...
 
SENGVIN said:
I just learned that is pretty common practice in USA no matter what businesses u are in . Maybe because people here are too spoiled and have too many options so they don't know what to do first ?! I don't know ? I hate those kind of people! Words don't mean nothing in US and that is sad. I think it's the lack of appreciation for another human being. That is just my 2 cents...
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No offense, but where did you pull that "common practice in the US" out of? If this were true, more than half of my dealings would have been folks flaking out or bailing. While this thread is bringing up an issue, it is hardly the status quo. This forum is filled with honest people who live by their word. It is the small percentile that spoil it.
 
I had a blade for sale for 105.00 earlier this week. A guy e-mailed me and asked if I would take 95.00. I told him that I would. THEN he said he would have to think it over, then nothing. I mean REALLY?!?!? You make an offer and then you have to think about it? Maybe there should be an exchange forum for beginners who still have their training wheels on.
 
Lots of people have training wheels on the exchange. They pays their money and their first post is an item for sale in the wrong section, no pictures, no price, nothing. People seem unwilling to read, learn, or ask questions about how things are done or even request recommendations. Integrity seems to be a dying quality in many people, in general. I see it everyday at work and in other places. I think that is one of the contributing factors to why we have so many contracts, preconditions, and requirements now for anything we do in life. When I first started in the Exchange, I bought stuff. If I said, "I'll take it", it means I'll take it and need an address to send money to. End of story. To this day, I don't break my word. That is all we have is our word, without that. Pffft!
 
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Kyui Su Kim said:
It is the small percentile that spoil it.
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Amen to that.

No need to trash an entire country just because of the actions of a few. There are probably hundreds of transactions in and around this forum every month and only a handful of those are being reported here.

People are all over the map with regards to negotiation and some are more clumsy than others. The problem here is that it is ridiculously annoying when it happens to you.
 
NCCNC said:
I had a blade for sale for 105.00 earlier this week. A guy e-mailed me and asked if I would take 95.00. I told him that I would. THEN he said he would have to think it over, then nothing. I mean REALLY?!?!? You make an offer and then you have to think about it? Maybe there should be an exchange forum for beginners who still have their training wheels on.
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I am not taking that guy's side, but that wasn't an offer. He asked if you would take $95, he didn't say he would give you $95.
I can see how you thought that was an offer, but when selling to the general public you have to try and think like a weaselly little turd who would ask that question without meaning "I will give you $95 for it". I know, it's maddening.
If I get an inquiry like that my response is always "are you offering me $95?"

My favorite one is "what's the least you will take?". My response to that is "accept my offer to sell, make me an offer to buy, or go away".
 
FLymon said:
I am not taking that guy's side, but that wasn't an offer. He asked if you would take $95, he didn't say he would give you $95.
I can see how you thought that was an offer, but when selling to the general public you have to try and think like a weaselly little turd who would ask that question without meaning "I will give you $95 for it". I know, it's maddening.
If I get an inquiry like that my response is always "are you offering me $95?"

My favorite one is "what's the least you will take?". My response to that is "accept my offer to sell, make me an offer to buy, or go away".
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Actually, that was an offer. He proposed a new price, the seller agreed, and then he backed out. If you have no intention to buy something, don't ask to reduce the price.

Edited to add the definition of offer:
of·fer
/ˈôfər,ˈäfər/
verb
verb: offer; 3rd person present: offers; past tense: offered; past participle: offered; gerund or present participle: offering1. present or proffer (something) for (someone) to accept or reject as so desired.
"may I offer you a drink?"
synonyms: put forward, proffer, provide, give, present, come up with, suggest, extend, recommend, propose, advance, submit, tender, render More"Chris offered another suggestion"•bid, tender, put in a bid of, put in an offer of
"he offered $200"

antonyms: withdraw, withhold
•express readiness or the intention to do something for or on behalf of someone.
"he offered to fix the gate"
synonyms: volunteer, volunteer one's services, be at someone's disposal, be at someone's service, make oneself available, step/come forward More"she offered to help"
•make available for sale.
"the product is offered at a very competitive price"
synonyms: put up for sale, put on the market, sell, market, make available, put under the gavel/hammer; Morevend "the product is offered at a competitive price"
•provide (access or an opportunity).
"the highway offers easy access to the public beaches"
synonyms: provide, afford, supply, give, furnish, present, purvey, hold out More"a job offering good career prospects"
•present (a prayer or sacrifice) to a deity.
"villagers have gone to offer prayers for the souls of the sailors"
synonyms: sacrifice, offer up, immolate, give More"birds were offered to the gods"
•make an attempt at or show one's readiness for (violence or resistance).
"he had to offer some resistance to her tirade"
synonyms: attempt, try, give, show, express; Moreformalessay "she offered no resistance"
•archaic
give an opportunity for (battle) to an enemy.
"Darius was about to meet him and to offer battle"noun
noun: offer; plural noun: offers1. an expression of readiness to do or give something if desired.
"he had accepted Mallory's offer to buy him a drink"
synonyms: proposal, proposition, suggestion, submission, approach, overture; Moreliteraryproffer "a job offer"

•an amount of money that someone is willing to pay for something.
"the prospective purchaser who made the highest offer"
synonyms: bid, tender, bidding price More"the highest offer"
•a specially reduced price or terms for something on sale.
"the offer runs right up until Christmas Eve"•a proposal of marriage.
 
RevDevil said:
. When I first started in the Exchange, I bought stuff. If I said, "I'll take it", it means I'll take it and need an address to send money to. End of story. To this day, I don't break my word. That is all we have is our word, without that. Pffft!
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......this.....!!!!!!

I only buy here, I am not saying I would not sell but I am a knife whore.... they tend to get in the house but never released again.... ;) If I say "Ill will take it" it means just that, my own commitment to this meant I spent $1200 in two days recently because I made an impulsive buy one day and then saw an absolute "I must have that, I have been looking for two years" purchase the following, yes I "could" have backed out of teh first as no money had changed hands BUT that is against every business principle I hold dear. Now, I do get that for some folks "shyte happens" and family/household/life expenses land in our lap I easily accept that it may be the case that one cannot follow through on an offer, provided an appropriate and timly explanation is given to the other party, that "I changed my mind" or "I saw one I prefer" does really rub me the wrong way.

My first attempt at buying here sucked as I was completly ignored by the seller for no apparent reason, I still don't know why but could care less, each and every other experience has been straight forward and painless.

Andy
 
I have been here for a good while (many of my transactions were prior to the feedback system itself); perhaps I have been incredibly lucky, but I have had nothing but positive transactions for many years here. There will always be clowns who sign up to screw someone, but this site is full of amazing, honest folks who give away their wares, arrange for charitable causes and close deals as they should.....maybe that's just my experience....but I seriously doubt it...
 
Please don't take my above post to think I don't believe in outing A-holes who do members wrong; I agree with any penalties the mods decree...
 
I've had all pleasant experiences here. The only thing I would consider somewhat flaky was a trade with a brand new member and zero feedback. We were talking about trading $475 knives and he asked if I would send first because he was friends with a few members and knew some youtube reviewers. Uh, NO. I politely explained that he would send first or no trade. He agreed, sent the knife promptly and I returned the favor. Everyone has to start from scratch and by being on the up & up I have watched him come along. I have asked more than one new guy to send first and all have obliged. I did it myself as a new guy. I would be ashamed of a bad deal even if there were some pretty crazy circumstances. Most of us have probably gotten pretty good at sizing up folks.
 
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