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Folders illegal in NYC
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Perhaps the birthplace of political correctness would be more appropriate , at any rate this guy vance is a toad.
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Yeah, he is a toad. No doubt.
I live in Maryland. It's fairly stupid here, to say the least.
California?
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No state blade length laws in CA.
As far as knife related hassles ? Do not really happen unless one is asking for trouble from TheLaw.
So far the knife retailers in my city are business as usual with no word coming down the pike as far as trouble like whats taking place in New York , although maybe NYC is a test bed...
I have wondered for years how long it was going to take 'the man' to notice the plethora of AO-tactical style knife knives available to us serfs and to take action.
A despot cannot allow it's subjects to have access to the same tools it's armies and police forces have , imagine the chaos that would ensue !
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Hey, hey,
as someone who lives in MD and works on Baltimore's west side, don't give Murphy any ideas about bringing that crap down here .
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Currently I walk through with my Umnumzaan every day.
Currently looking into getting a nice slip joint to replace it.
The laws suck, but don't think that every cop goes around hassling people to see if they have "illegal knives" on them. A little common sense (like putting it in your pocket when on the street) will go a long way.
Currently looking into getting a nice slip joint to replace it.
The laws suck, but don't think that every cop goes around hassling people to see if they have "illegal knives" on them. A little common sense (like putting it in your pocket when on the street) will go a long way.
Since when can you avoid felony illegal weapons distribution charges by contributing your profits to some fund of the DA's choosing.
When criminal charges on the table, the fact that you can bargain your way out with money sets a dangerous foundation for government sponsored corruption.
Either its illegal, and we go to court to sort out the definitions used, or its legal and the DA should go away.
When criminal charges on the table, the fact that you can bargain your way out with money sets a dangerous foundation for government sponsored corruption.
Either its illegal, and we go to court to sort out the definitions used, or its legal and the DA should go away.
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Regardless of what you carry it can be construed as:
...any dagger, dangerous knife, dirk, razor, stiletto, imitation pistol, or any other dangerous or deadly instrument or weapon with intent to use the same unlawfully against another....
Which will be interpreted in Section 265.01 as being guilty of Criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree.
The dangerous knife charge has to be arrived at by design of the knife for sole use as a weapon, and or the statements made by the person carrying it. An officer who is seeking to charge someone this way by making you state you carry the knife for "self defense", will ask you questions leading you to perhaps say a simple yes to a question asking if you carry it as a weapon. Becareful how you answer in NY. A knife is a tool, never a weapon in NY, or prepare to be cahrged.
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Say what? Isn't that just playing with words now? The knives were never designed to be opened in that manner, and quite frankly I feel that one would risk dropping the knife on their foot if they tried it.
And couldn't you do that with a SAK if you tried hard enough and had a good enough grip on the blade?
If he was trying to show how "dangerous" the knives were, he failed miserably. If he were trying to fulfill the definition of "gravity knife" in the loosest possible sense, he succeeded. It's like saying that a dog chewing off your balls is technically foreplay. I wonder just how stupid the public would have to be in order to accept his justifications?
I'm definitely thinking that KnifeRights needs to get some air time on the nightly news in order to "educate" people as to what this guy is actually doing.
The real problem is that the public doesn't have any interest in Vance's justifications. For the average "Joe Sixpack" on the street in NYC, he just goes about his daily business, blissfully unaware that the Spyderco, Cold Steel, Kershaw, Benchmade, CRKT, etc. folder that he EDC's in his pocket could get him a criminal record. Most people are not knife (or gun) enthusiasts and don't follow the laws or how they are interpreted by the courts. The only time it becomes an issue for them is when they are caught and charged.
They can actually take you in, process you and then let the arraignment judge decide that it was not a "dangerous weapon".
You still have to get arrested, spend time in jail, spend money on a lawyer and lose a lot of sleep.
Cops are losing jobs, they have to appear productive on paper to keep their jobs.
Not excatly how it works. All arrest have to be approved by a supervisor, and there always concern about a charge meeting the requirements set forth by the local DA, as that often varies from the written PL. You could be arrested falsely, BUT in the last few years, this has been looked at closely by those in power at OPP and they tend to stick to what they understand as the written and locally enforced ( DA's policy) law. I have as recently tried to get shoplifters charged with possession of burgular tools for having tools to remove inventory control tags to ease their theft attemt. Four NYC County DA's will agree and one will not, but the PL is the same.
With something as unclear as a dangerous knife, and there being no statement of intent to use as a weapon, I think in 99% of the cases you would not be charged.
In arraignments there is no display of evidence on this type of charge, and it is a simple decsion to hold you or not, so the judge would rarely dismiss at this point.
Just my real life 25+ years of experience speaking, but I could be wrong.......
With something as unclear as a dangerous knife, and there being no statement of intent to use as a weapon, I think in 99% of the cases you would not be charged.
In arraignments there is no display of evidence on this type of charge, and it is a simple decsion to hold you or not, so the judge would rarely dismiss at this point.
Just my real life 25+ years of experience speaking, but I could be wrong.......
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What we really need would be a few thousand people to go into NYC with openly carried folding knives, turn the pivot screw as tight as you can so that no amount of holding the blade and flicking the handle will open it, and see what happens then:thumbup:. Oh, and be sure to use plenty of loctite. It would be a shame if somebody loosened the pivot just to be politically correct.
I find it to be complete BS that gravity knives can be so simply defined by the ability to flick the knife open, even if it is flicked open in a dangerous and improper way(i.e. holding by the blade and flicking the handle open). One could easily fulfill the requirement with almost any folding knife simply by loosening the pivot screw.
I find it to be complete BS that gravity knives can be so simply defined by the ability to flick the knife open, even if it is flicked open in a dangerous and improper way(i.e. holding by the blade and flicking the handle open). One could easily fulfill the requirement with almost any folding knife simply by loosening the pivot screw.
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I... really hate people sometimes.