Folding knife lateral strength tests ?

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If your worried about needing to pry something, Attwood already has a good solution.
 
The knife in questions doesn't necessarily have to be marketed for its "lateral strength" or "prying abilities". It just has to be marketed as a "stronger lock" than other existing options.

Of course, in order to do that, you need a control group of knives and examples of their failure points, and then you need to show a real life example of the FFK holding up under than same conditions that forced the prior knives to failure.

Again, where's the proof? Where's the example?

So far, all we've been given are some colorful pictures and the OP's assumptions that a yet untested pivot is going to withstand nearly as much lateral force as a fixed blade, or at least certainly more than any other folder design currently available.

If I were the OP, I would either post some test videos, or lock this thread down until I had one.
 
Who hijack this thread ? It is about laterally strengthening folding knives. Not my FFK prototype. All these reasons to not strengthen/improve folding

knives. What's wrong with improving knife design ? You don't have to agree with it If everybody followed your logic then why carry a fixed blades ?

Come on.....lets here all the stupid reasons for carrying a fixed blade !
 
If everybody followed your logic then why carry a fixed blades ?

Come on.....lets here all the stupid reasons for carrying a fixed blade ![/QUOTE]

Because you can pry with a fixed blade
 
FFK said:
Who hijack this thread ? It is about laterally strengthening folding knives. Not my FFK prototype. All these reasons to not strengthen/improve folding

knives. What's wrong with improving knife design ? You don't have to agree with it If everybody followed your logic then why carry a fixed blades ?

Come on.....lets here all the stupid reasons for carrying a fixed blade !
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Oh Mikey,
You have just hijacked your own thread! You keep asking why there are no lateral tests on the net, We have said, Show use some lateral strength tests to show why your knife is somehow superior?

You Can't or won't do it and now you want to get silly, asking us what are the reasons to carry a fixed blade.

I will tell you why and it's not a stupid reason. We carry fixed blades because, THEY DO NOT FOLD!

Its time to close this madness.
 
FFK,
This thread and the subject has pretty much lived its life out. No good is getting done by continuing it. Why don't you close it and when you have more test results, start a new one if you wish. If it stays open much longer, I suspect things will just degrade farther. Better closed by you as the OP, than by a mod if it continues to go south.
 
bladsmth,
If I were making a post I would keep it to the topic(Thread name). Instead there is colorful commentary intentionally steering it off-course.

Apparently there is no more room for folding knife design/improvement. Or as I'm beginning to suspect ....No ideas.
 
FFK said:
bladsmth,
If I were making a post I would keep it to the topic(Thread name). Instead there is colorful commentary intentionally steering it off-course.

Apparently there is no more room for folding knife design/improvement. Or as I'm beginning to suspect ....No ideas.
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There is. And you did good. Your general approach to everyone else is the only problem I think. You don't listen to peoples feedback.

Let a good friend read this entire thread and have him give you some straight up feedback over a couple beers.
 
Nothing wrong with improvement. Making a folder more complicated to use is not my idea of improvement. In nearly 50 years of using folding knives, I have never had a lock break. I have however broken pivots and blades.
 
You've certainly come up with a design, but nobody (including yourself) can say whether it's any kind of improvement.

Again, a proof of concept video can be quite simple, and very effective to demonstrating any merit to your ideas, should there be any.

I really don't know what else to tell you. Put your design to the test already.
 
FFK said:
If some of you want to spend the time and $ and are curious, take your folding knives with G10 or macarta or FRN handles and clamp their

blades in a vise sideways(flat side up), then hang 2 Olympic 45Lbs plate(90lbs). I've looked on the web and only find vertical(spine) tests.
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Back to the original question....

Is this in case you are at the gym and come across 2 Olympic 45lbs plates that need to be hung for some reason with a folding knife ?

Honestly.... You can design all kinds a test that have nothing to do with the object being tested. For example ...if someone were to come on BladeForum and challenge people to test their folders as a paddle for a canoe you would get similar responses.

It if far better to understand how your knife should be used then to create ways it should not be used.
 
My favorite locking mechanism for a smaller folder is the lockback. I own a Spyderco Native(S30V) and it carries easily in my front right pocket. I would never

try prying with it unless I had to.
 
FFK said:
bladsmth,
If I were making a post I would keep it to the topic(Thread name). Instead there is colorful commentary intentionally steering it off-course.

Apparently there is no more room for folding knife design/improvement. Or as I'm beginning to suspect ....No ideas.
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Once more ignoring people's advice. This time a mod's.

Someone please make it stop.
 
FFK said:
My favorite locking mechanism for a smaller folder is the lockback. I own a Spyderco Native(S30V) and it carries easily in my front right pocket. I would never

try prying with it unless I had to.
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And yet you have had a slightly larger knife made with this locking system you designed to show us that it can withstand lateral force equal to a fixed blade knife?
HHMMM? Mikey! keep coming back! Perhaps we can make sense of this?
 
I hate to say it but as someone who has been following your threads since your very first post I think the reason why your threads keep going south is no one can really take you seriously.

You ask for advice but don't always listen to it if it's not convenient. We have people who are successful in this business and potential customers who pose questions, comments, concerns and we don't get replies, get ignored, or you spout the same thing on lateral lock strength when we ask about strength in other areas (vast majority of us don't care about lateral strength). We keep asking for real world testing and we get replies that it should in theory do "X" because a computer program said so (awhile ago you said give you a few weeks for new prototype to test or something along those lines, I give you that). A little tip if you don't have the answer just flat out say so, this way it won't get asked again (hopefully) and it seems like you're actually trying to answer people. And at times there almost seems to be a false sense of entitlement with how your posts are done.

If you don't believe me grab a couple buddies and have them go through all your threads and read it all the way through and ask them for their opinion. They will probably probably see a pattern like I did. If you can get some real world testing done, and all the other little stuff we keep asking and keep trying to keep fresh information coming the chances of you not having threads derailed and being taken seriously will significantly improve because as of right now I bet you most of us are just coming here with some popcorn to see where your threads lead for the entertainment factor.

And well there are people who derail your threads, etc you have to keep in mind you're the driver of this bus and can steer it and you're holding all the answers to our questions as we can't get it anywhere else when it concerns your product. I suggest you use that to steer your threads how you want by releasing new information, answering questions and keeping our interest in the product and not how far this thread derail before being locked. Because right now you seem to be Bladeforums version of Miley Cyrus, Kardashians, and Justin Bieber all rolled into one as you have a habit of causing chaos wherever you go and we can't look away because it's too dang interesting.
 
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You claim there are no lateral strength tests, yet they are out there. They are not labeled as "lateral strength testing" but are test of various knives which include all or most of the things many users will do with their knives. Major manufacturers often do lock failure testing, although often times their findings are not generally published for worldwide consumption. They pay for the product to be designed and made and are under no obligation to publish such tests, then again none of them have come to the community with wild claims of superiority without product in hand for testing. Often times they fully produce their product on their terms and let the end user decide if the virtues of the product stand on it's own merits. I would suggest you spend less time making claims and fantasizing and spend more time in research, actual real life, real world testing and on educating yourself in the art of knives, locks and knifemaking in general and in having a working knowledge of such things.

You cannot expect others to do your initial real world testing for you, nor can you expect others to believe your claims without first testing your product to destruction yourself... or producing the finished product and putting it out there to be judged on its own merits by others.
That's just how it is and you've been told this numerous times in your various threads. As you are the only one with your product in hand it will be up to you to "put your money where your mouth is"... to reference the old adage. CAD testing is one data point, real world testing adds variables that the CAD testing will not reveal because it is a controlled simulation.

At this point your claims are almost as worthless as these multipage convoluted circular discussion threads you insist upon posting and are once again in danger of being closed due to baseless redundancy. We've given you every opportunity to prove yourself and your claims, yet we are still here waiting for the answers to many questions asked. To reference another old adage...."either put up or shut up". This is your last opportunity.
 
Bob6794,
Folding knife Lateral strength thread so far has a total of 138 posts.....including mine. Yet there have been no design suggestions to increase lateral

strength in a folding knife, no ideas, no brainstorming, no technical comments. That also says something.
 
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