for those who don't trust a folding knife

Elen said:
it's only a question of when it's going to fail instead of whether it's going to fail.
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mhm, and a missing finger afterwards:eek:

I guess we may as well let someone get the axe and find out for them selves, Ohh let'em go.:D
 
Good god people, it helps to be smarter than the tool. I have never heard such ridiculous conclusions Better not get near anything sharp with that aptitude. Best leave the subject of the killer folding ax lay. LOOK OUT, LOOK OUT it will getyou. :D:rolleyes:

BTW, My dad can whip your dad.
 
udtjim said:
Good god people, it helps to be smarter than the tool. I have never heard such ridiculous conclusions Better not get near anything sharp with that aptitude. Best leave the subject of the killer folding ax lay. LOOK OUT, LOOK OUT it will getyou. :D:rolleyes:

BTW, My dad can whip your dad.
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Sure, it helps. But no matter how smart you are, you can't make the tool any stronger or any more reliable than its design allows it to be. In the case of a folding axe, that's not very strong or reliable at all. A smart person can use a piece of sharp stone tied to a wooden shaft as an axe effectively - but it will still be a much less effective axe than modern steel axes. So why bother? :confused:

My dad is too dead to win fights, so you're probably right. :D
 
Elen said:
Sure, it helps. But no matter how smart you are, you can't make the tool any stronger or any more reliable than its design allows it to be. In the case of a folding axe, that's not very strong or reliable at all. A smart person can use a piece of sharp stone tied to a wooden shaft as an axe effectively - but it will still be a much less effective axe than modern steel axes. So why bother? :confused:

My dad is too dead to win fights, so you're probably right. :D
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So do you believe that it is absolutely impossible for ANY folding axe design to be effective?

What if NASA made one from the finest materials?
 
Dekz said:
So do you believe that it is absolutely impossible for ANY folding axe design to be effective?

What if NASA made one from the finest materials?
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I believe I just said that a smart person can use a piece of sharp rock for an axe "effectively". But I do also believe that it's not possible to make a folding axe as effective as a traditional axe with a similar handle length and equally heavy head - it simply won't be as durable and as easy to clean and maintain. If NASA made a folding axe for astronauts to chop lunar rock with, it would probably be pretty expensive but also pretty tough. With half the budget, they could probably make a traditional axe with the finest materials that you could use to chop their folding axe in half, though. :eek:

I tend to think of these things in terms of pure performance. Does a folding axe perform better in any way than a traditional axe? No? Then why would I, or anyone else, want to use one, except perhaps for the sake of variety? Even the poorest tools can be somewhat effective, and I'm sure I could chop stuff with a folding axe if I wanted to. People chopped wood just fine with stone axes. We don't use them anymore, because steel makes for a better axe. What's the point in using an inferior tool when superior ones are available, and even for a lower cost?
 
I wish we didn't have to wait until July to be able test this critter out. The more people bad mouth merely on spec, the more I want to buy one. The more irrational ranting that comes out of this discussion, the more I'm sure the same discussions MUST HAVE also happened at Gerber until one guy did it and did it right thus silencing the drama queens. Now I want one bad!!!
 
LittleHairyApe said:
I wish we didn't have to wait until July to be able test this critter out. The more people bad mouth merely on spec, the more I want to buy one. The more irrational ranting that comes out of this discussion, the more I'm sure the same discussions MUST HAVE also happened at Gerber until one guy did it and did it right thus silencing the drama queens. Now I want one bad!!!
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Well hey, if it makes you feel even better about the purchase, I can badmouth it more if you'd like? ;) Personally, I think the folks at Gerber just thought that a folding anything would sell these days, with the craze of folding knives going on. And if you can sell an axe for 90 $ instead of 20 $ just because it folds and is therefore less durable, is that really such a bad idea financially? :D

And if you do end up breaking it, not to worry, it's got a very impressive one-year warranty according to Gerber! :)
 
Elen said:
Well hey, if it makes you feel even better about the purchase, I can badmouth it more if you'd like? ;) Personally, I think the folks at Gerber just thought that a folding anything would sell these days, with the craze of folding knives going on. And if you can sell an axe for 90 $ instead of 20 $ just because it folds and is therefore less durable, is that really such a bad idea financially? :D

And if you do end up breaking it, not to worry, it's got a very impressive one-year warranty according to Gerber! :)
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Badmouth away man. Nobody's stopping you, and it cracks me up big time. :thumbup: Seriously though, I didn't know about the warranty, but it makes sense. It'd go perfectly with that Big Rock in plain edge I've been thinking about. And if it breaks, I'll come right back here, jpg's in hand, and warn everybody else. Either way it's win-win.:)
 
Sounds good to me. :thumbup: I'm sure that with careful use this folding axe could last for years, though. As long as one doesn't chop very hard, into very tough wood, and doesn't do a lot of chopping... :D It is always revealing when a company gives an axe a warranty of one year. I have axes that are older than most people on this forum that still work fine, with original handles. Those things are supposed to last, and often the warranty does reflect the manufacturer's faith in their product's durability.

That said, if Fiskars takes this axe in their lineup in Europe, I'm going to find one to give it a try for the heck of it.
 
with the success of this folding axe, Gerb should keep the momentum rolling and build a folding chainsaw!!!!! YEAH!! :eek:

just having fun. :D
 
Bushman5 said:
with the success of this folding axe, Gerb should keep the momentum rolling and build a folding chainsaw!!!!! YEAH!! :eek:

just having fun. :D
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Shh! I'm drawing up specs for a folding baseball bat and I don't want anyone to get any bright ideas and corner this lucrative market!
;)
 
Elen said:
I tend to think of these things in terms of pure performance. Does a folding axe perform better in any way than a traditional axe? No? Then why would I, or anyone else, want to use one, except perhaps for the sake of variety? Even the poorest tools can be somewhat effective, and I'm sure I could chop stuff with a folding axe if I wanted to. People chopped wood just fine with stone axes. We don't use them anymore, because steel makes for a better axe. What's the point in using an inferior tool when superior ones are available, and even for a lower cost?
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You are missing something. This axe isn't supposed to perform better than a traditional axe. The advantage of this axe is that it folds for easier storage/portability.

Well all know that fixed blades are stronger and safer than a folder, but the advantage of a folder is that it is more convenient to carry.

We don't use stone axes because they offer ZERO advantages over a steel axe.
 
I have to take other peoples word for the fact that fixed knives are safer than Folders. I have put thousands of hours work on folders and have never broken or even seen a folder's lock fail. I have used slip joints for decades as have others, no failures. I feel cheated.:confused:
 
LittleHairyApe said:
Hate to break the bad news to you, but somebody already HAS made one of the ludicrously impossible folding chainsaws. Fits in a shirt pocket, but I'm pretty sure it'll never catch on :) :

http://www.campingsurvival.com/pochsawofacu.html

I love this game!
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actually thats just a stamped flatlink chain (and not even a real chainsaw chain) with sharp cutters, not a real chainsaw. ;)

I won one in a contest, its not bad, works in a pinch, takes major effort to saw thru logs, but its no substitute for my venerable Husky 61 with a Walkerized muffler and polished carb throat. The pocket folding "saw" is a compromise :thumbdn:
 
Well, even though most people do like to take a fifteen pound saw with them while hiking, there is the odd person out there who wants a saw that is smaller and lighter, even though it won't perform as well.

In any case all tools are compromises...a real no compromise solution would be to take a 25,000 square foot lumber mill with you, but they don't fit in any pickup trucks that I've seen so there are times when you opt for a compromise solution like a chainsaw.
 
After reading through this thread we have two groups of people. Those who believe in this and those who don't. I fall in the category of those who don't care because I think it is a POS. I'm disappointed in Gerber for putting this on the market. I'm happy with their fiskars/gerber hatchets and see no use in creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

This thread is getting old guys. Final comments are in order and time to let this die. Get your panties out of a bunch and just let it go.
 
Final comment. Since there is not one spec of science behind the criticism, it's a good thing that we already have everything we need because nothing new has a chance. My only point is what kind of message does it send to people who really might want to know something, is that you need not try something to condemn it? If I didn't make that point then sorry, I was expressing a opinion that made sense to me, but I won't press it any further.
 
For Chrissakes will someone contact Gerber and get one of these POS to test.

Tell them you are the moderator of the leading blade forum on the internet, get some friends together, chop through a few 2 1/2" pieces of oak, then chop through a few 6" pieces till it gets all busticated and tell everyone it's a piece of crap or the best thing that's happened since Oprah.

Really guys, its a folding freaking hatchet made of multiple parts and marketed by some suit who never chopped anything but garlic.

Anyone who has never chopped down a tree over 2 feet in diameter with an axe stop replying to this thread immediately!

Granfors and Bruks are turning in their graves already!
 
**** Edited ***** Primitiveman just proved me wrong. This thread is getting old and turned into a bunch of immature bashing.
 
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