for those who don't trust a folding knife

so much controversy, I have to say though, since here in alberta "free" camping is pretty much illegal and even the "back country" sites need a permit, I've seen lots of people who seem concerned when I haul out the ax or khuk, think the MSR stove is a bomb or something and are utterly confused by the idea of cooking using the fire pit with anything but a safety fork. normally I'd not fault people for trying, but the damage left on the few remaining "wild" spaces by people "camping" kinda makes me sick. I'd rather a child have one day in the outdoors with a knowledgeable guide, shown how things should be treated, than a month with all the comforts of home plus a few trees. it only perpetuates the disrespect.

but back to the topic at hand, and I wrong or does it look like the blade of that "ax" folds into the part where you hand will be.....
reminds me of elementary school social studies class where we were told that the natives of this country had used axes which were a ax-head shaped rock, with a rope tied along a grove in the middle, so you swing the rock and hit the wood.... um, did the white man bring physics to the new world? I think the person who came up with that theory had about as much ax time as the designer of this thing.

and maybe when you see someone using this along with all of their iShiney gear, you will take the time to impart some wisdom of the woods, and convert a new follower of woodcraft.
 
I'd be delighted to bring a noob into the wonderful world of woods skills, but they are gonna have to leave that sharpened door hinge behind. :)
 
I can't believe all the science that has gone into the condemning of a product that that have never seen. You talk about the arm chair sissy campers while at the same tome making a armchair review of a product.:rolleyes:

Often times I would like to buy some of the opinions here for what they are worth and sell them for what the know it all posters think they are worth.;) I would be rich.
 
udtjim said:
I can't believe all the science that has gone into the condemning of a product that that have never seen. You talk about the arm chair sissy campers while at the same tome making a armchair review of a product.:rolleyes:

Often times I would like to buy some of the opinions here for what they are worth and sell them for what the know it all posters think they are worth.;) I would be rich.
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Yeah, but... would you trust a folding ax???

;)
 
Again RB, I think you are taking it a bit too seriously.

The "Hahahaha" at the end meant that it was a JOKE. That's why I put ithere. I was JUST KIDDING. I am NOT out to pick up somebodys trophy wife, or any other wife. But as a red blooded American male, I reserve the right to joke with other red blooded American males on the subject.

Been married 20 years with 2 beautiful children, Straight A's, triple letters in High school sports. I have served my community both politically and as a volunteer, Make 6 figures and wear a $3,000 wristwatch and I am well respected at work and in my professional circles. So I think my character, success and integrity are beyond reproach. Give it a rest.

Oh, I almost forgot, I would NOT trust a folding axe.
 
I wouldn't know until I tried it. To reviewing anything without personally trying it. Makes no sense to me, evidently not true for many though.:confused:
 
I don't know, I think I can review the taste of a monkey crap sandwich without eating one.

OK, maybe we are putting the cart before the horse, but I think some of it comes legitimately from us being familiar with tools and the physics behind them. We know from using various tools that a folding implement like this is ripe for catastrophic failure when you would need it most, so actual hands on might not be necessary in this case.

Quick, somebody buy one, chop a cord of wood, then get back to us on performance.
 
udtjim said:
I can't believe all the science that has gone into the condemning of a product that that have never seen. You talk about the arm chair sissy campers while at the same tome making a armchair review of a product.:rolleyes:

Often times I would like to buy some of the opinions here for what they are worth and sell them for what the know it all posters think they are worth.;) I would be rich.
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Again I think this sums it up pretty well!
 
Good, More science.:rolleyes: Things like folding knives, folding car tops,folding folding bridges and folding airplanes wings will just never work.:D You guys win.
 
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Been married 20 years with 2 beautiful children, Straight A's, triple letters in High school sports. I have served my community both politically and as a volunteer, Make 6 figures and wear a $3,000 wristwatch and I am well respected at work and in my professional circles. So I think my character, success and integrity are beyond reproach.
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So an unmarried E3 in the Marines who wears a $30 G-Shock Casio obviously has less character, success, and integrity than you? Is that what you are trying to say, i.e. money equals righteousness, therefore everybody back off and don't question your statements no matter how flip, glib, kidding, or inflammatory???
 
I think he is serous, I am looking for my hip boots now, it's getting deep here. How dare we question the God of outdoors. I will give it a rest if PM gives me a break.;)

I now give it a break, enjoy.
 
Ummmm..... NO..

What I am saying is quite the opposite.

Funny you guys picked up on the money aspect and failed to mention my two kids that are stellar students or my volunteer work or my respect at my vocation.

What you do as a person matters and you need to keep things in perspective. Just because somebody is a McCamper does not make them bad and just because somebody isn't, doesn't mean their opinion on a folding axe isn't correct.

An unmarried E3 with a Casio G shock is good in my book, not that he or she needs me to judge. I own a G shock also and consider it a fantastic piece of equipment.

But yes, don't question my character, success or integrity and I will not question yours.

However you guys seem a bit twisted and have taken my statements in a manner I truly did not mean them, so in the interest of peace on the forum, I will bow out of the discussion.

BUT

I still will not trust a folding axe.
 
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I noticed it all and didn't mention money. How could I not notice it, you beat your self on the back pretty hard for all to see. You are way :cool: I am really in awe.

But you should not trust a folding ax or any other mechanical device, you trust in your capability with no artificial aides because that may well be all you have with you in a real emergency.

We have all gone to far on a subject that shouldn't really mean anything. I can be a bit hard headed as can you, but thats not all bad. Have a good day P.M.:thumbup:
 
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Ummmm..... NO..

What I am saying is quite the opposite.

Funny you guys picked up on the money aspect and failed to mention my two kids that are stellar students or my volunteer work or my respect at my vocation.

What you do as a person matters and you need to keep things in perspective. Just because somebody is a McCamper does not make them bad and just because somebody isn't, doesn't mean their opinion on a folding axe isn't correct.

An unmarried E3 with a Casio G shock is good in my book, not that he or she needs me to judge. I own a G shock also and consider it a fantastic piece of equipment.

But yes, don't question my character, success or integrity and I will not question yours.

However you guys seem a bit twisted and have taken my statements in a manner I truly did not mean them, so in the interest of peace on the forum, I will bow out of the discussion.

BUT

I still will not trust a folding axe.
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I just don't see anyone questioning your or anyone's character, success, or integrity, so I don't see why you need to mention it. On the face of it, it seems, and I stress the word seems, quite a bit insecure. And the reason I didn't mention your kids or your wife is because, well, I feel sorry for them. They didn't ask to be dragged into this, and I am sure their lives aren't as perfect as you claim they are so that you can take credit for their hard work, as well as your own. And when you throw down a gauntlet like that you automatically make people wonder -- wonder what the hall that has to do with a new type of folding axe. You sound afraid for your job, your perfect life, and your perfect wife. Well, you're among friends for the most part. You don't have to puff yourself up, and, guess what, most of us are pretty concerned about the next couple of years too. So why don't you stick to axes in the axe thread, and save the chest-thumping for the CT forum.
 
Sorry guys,

When RunningBoar started using terms like "elitism, arrogance and Character" directed towards me, I felt the need to defend my point of view.

Up to that point, I don't think I was patting myself on the back or otherwise crossing any lines.

If you give me a bit of credit and go back and re-read the string of posts, I think you will understand my response.

In any case, I am still not using a folding axe. But if you want one, go for it.
 
I find all the hostility towards this axe to be quite humorous when you consider that fact that every argument you make against it, would also apply when comparing a fixed blade to a folder.
 
Dekz said:
I find all the hostility towards this axe to be quite humorous when you consider that fact that every argument you make against it, would also apply when comparing a fixed blade to a folder.
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Har!

Good point!
 
PrimitiveMan said:
Sorry guys,

When RunningBoar started using terms like "elitism, arrogance and Character" directed towards me, I felt the need to defend my point of view.

Up to that point, I don't think I was patting myself on the back or otherwise crossing any lines.

If you give me a bit of credit and go back and re-read the string of posts, I think you will understand my response.

In any case, I am still not using a folding axe. But if you want one, go for it.
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Only Chris knows what he was thinking, but I thought he was clipping me for being too sexy-talking(I get that a lot), Bushman for being elitist etc, and you for being the founding father of the he-man club. But, IMHO, that's just Chris, who I would describe as a calls-them-as-he sees-them-or-give-him-death type of guy. Also don't talk talk about grills or bears in the same thread with him, unless you have a couple of fire extinguishers handy. Credit where credit is due - you were right Chris.

As for folding axes - yeah I'll give it a try.:thumbup: I won't "trust my life" with any piece of gear until I've worked with it for a while and maybe still not then, but I will give it a chance. Maybe Gerber has too many QC issues right now to carry it off, and maybe they don't, but I support good ideas when they come along - albeit cautiously. I like the looks of that new folding ULU knife, even though I hasn't held it. I'll try that out too. For me the main points are, (1) SUV's kick ice (as do outdoorsy chicks in the outdoors), (2) Starbucks rules for several damn good reasons, and (3) I don't see why someone in America (or Finland) can't someday come up with a decent folding axe. Just my two kroners :).
 
how is this folding ax a good idea, instead of a time proven simple design like a Gransfors, wetterings, Nielly, or any other of the small axes out there? Please explain how something with MULTIPLE moving parts, multiple pieces, multiple pop rivets and a poorly shaped ax head of unknown steel etc is better than a custom forged or production forged ax head and hickory haft?

and if questioning the design of a folding ax makes me elitist, well so be it. I demand the best out of my tools, and am more than willing to bust my arse to make the money to get the best. I buy tools once, they stay with me for life.
 
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