Forged Integral Not-Actually-Really-a-Chopper WIP

Here's what the blade looked like after quench and temper, with most of the clay cracked off.

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I cleaned the blade up with 280, then went to 400. Here's what the hamon looks like, faintly brought out with rice vinegar at 400 grit. I think it's gonna be a good one, kind of gunome like I pictured. I can't wait to see what it looks like as I refine it. It looks like there may be some sort of activity along the spine, but too early to tell what it may be if anything.

I'm extremely happy that this blade did not crack, and furthermore looks to be what I wanted. (That's a cat hair near the tip, not a crack.) Sorry, these are lousy pics- better to come tomorrow. I'll take the lightbox outdoors.

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I'm really enjoying this thread Salem. Learning a lot too.

Thanks for doing all the work to put this together --
the thread is a keeper and the knife is looking to be pretty sweet too.
 
I glad you are digging it, Dan.

With one side of the blade clean to 400, I tape it up so I can flip it to sand the other side. The tape keeps the block from marring the already sanded side. Often I’ll sand one side to 600, tape, then sand the other side to 600 and it’s done before final tuning up. (That way I don’t have to flip/re-tape every grit.) This blade is getting sanded higher, but not yet. I don’t have the abrasives on hand yet, so I’m turning to handle work after sanding the whole blade to 600.

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The flip side of the blade. I’m just cleaning the burnt oil and clay from this side, you can see the hardened edge. It’s standing proud of the rest of the blade by probably a couple thou. Kind of cool.

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280 lengthwise scratches being taken out by 400 paper on the diagonal. Much easier to see the bigger scratches underneath this way.

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With the whole blade at 600 grit, I taped it up inside a paper towel for protection during the next steps. I cut out some green canvas Micarta on the bandsaw. It’s about 1/8” oversize all the way around, a little more at the butt end. It helps to leave some room for adjustment when hand fitting the front of the scales to the bolster.

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I grind a little radius under the fronts of the scales so I can roughly check the flatness of the tang with them as I true it up on the platen. Need to take a little meat out of the center of the taper. Wow, I need to get a disc grinder.

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With the tang surfaces pretty darn flat, I slide the scales up until they touch the bolster, and visually note how much material to take off to get them close to the right height and shape in front. This could be done with a scribe, but I’m still leaving extra on for now. It’s safer to grind that off later when the scale has already been fitted.

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With the tang flat, the scales will only slide up this far without beginning to gap off of the tang under the front. So at this point, I move to files and sandpaper to finish the bolster radii, then fit the scales to them.

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Got to get back to work. Man, this eats batteries. Imagine the batteries Nick went through on that epic WIP in Customs…
 
Loving your thread Salem. Thanks for taking the time to document all of this. I've never tried an integral but you are inspiring me quite a bit.
Mike
 
Yeah guys, I'm having fun too. I do think I've scavenged batteries out of everything in the house, the remote, flashlights, a discman, the junk drawer. My camera eats them. Just when I was taking some good pics of the fitup on the scales, the last ones died right before I clicked the button. I knew it was gonna happen but took too long to focus. Hopefully I'll find some more tomorrow morning to continue with, and won't have to go to town.
 
I'm really enjoying this thread. Thanks!

So you temper with the clay still on the blade. Is this usual? I always clean it off just assuming that's what people do. Didn't occur to me to leave it there. Is there a reason you leave it on?
 
Good morning, all.

Stuart, like you I usually clean the clay off entirely before tempering. I do it so I can check the line real quick with ferric, and reclay if needed.

The reason I left some clay on this one is that the water quench likes to destroy blades, sometimes not right away. I figured the quicker in the oven, the better. It probably went in there with the steel still at 300 degrees. I did crack a bunch of it off with a dirty rag on the way to the oven.

I don't know that it has any effect really. Everything in the oven comes up to the same temp after a few minutes anyway.
 
Yeah guys, I'm having fun too. I do think I've scavenged batteries out of everything in the house, the remote, flashlights, a discman, the junk drawer. My camera eats them. Just when I was taking some good pics of the fitup on the scales, the last ones died right before I clicked the button. I knew it was gonna happen but took too long to focus. Hopefully I'll find some more tomorrow morning to continue with, and won't have to go to town.

Rechargables are a must in cameras like that!!!:D
 
Beautiful work. Well pronounced hamon. I like the integral bolster design, and you definately pulled it off great!
 
My process for these is just taking a little off with files however seems necessary, checking time and again with strong light pointed at me from the other side of the work, so it shows through any cracks. Don Dogg uses inletting black, which I’d like to try. To do this with stag, I’ve rubbed soft lead from a pencil on the inside of the bolster radius, then slide the scale up to it, look to see where the scale has a smudge. Green Micarta is too dark in color for this to work.

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The fit as of last night. Nearly there. Just a little more off the center of the tang taper, and a little more finicky stuff with sandpaper up front. With no batteries and little energy left, I retired for the night and enjoyed some Thai green curry. Why the food pics? I like my WIP’s to have a little “flavor.”

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Ok, I have the fit where I want it. I try to stay away from “good enough” but I’ll never get anything perfect. More pics of that in a minute. Here you see the tang ground clean and real flat. I took the 3” wheel and cleaned out the oil from the remaining hollow up front from the tang roughing step. I took it a little deeper and wider as well, this being slightly concave here helps to fit the scales as it isolates any gaps at the edge by removing the possibility of a high spot in the center. I do this lightly with sandpaper to the front of the scale as well. In case you are wondering about that little hole in the tang it’s the result of a brain fart and does not go all the way through.

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So, there is a gap in continuity with the pics here. I did some work before I found more batteries; I had to. Also it was probably below 20 degrees in the shop and so I did this as quick as I could.

I lightly super glued the first scale on the mark side. Before I did this, I took a micrometer and did some thickness measuring on the tang. It was .220 up front, right behind the beginning of the radius. At the butt end, it was .050. So .220 - .050 = .170. .170 / 2 = .085. So that’s the distance I want to shim the butt of the scale up while drilling so the hole goes straight through. I measured a popsicle stick. .082. Damn. Well, I really did not want to wait for a .085 popsicle stick to arrive from MSC, so I just went with it.

With the butt end of the scale shimmed up, I drilled the holes through the tang from above, the two end ones at 3/16” to pilot for ¼” SS Corbys, and the middle at ¼” for a SS thong tube.

I super glued the other scale on, flipped the handle, shimmed at the butt, and drilled back through. After drilling the last hole at 3/16,” I left it in the hole and clamped the whole works down to the table. I did this with care not to flex the bit, and then pressed the bit up and down a few times to make sure it was really lined up. Then I unchucked it, and chucked up a sharp “F” bit. With a strong light source overhead, I counter bored for the corby head, taking a little at a time, and looking into the hole to see how deep I was getting. I left only about 3/32” of material at the bottom of the hole. This is going to be a pretty slim grip, and I HATE nothing like grinding into a corby too far.

I repeated this for the other corby counter bores, always with the scale shimmed under the butt and being careful to keep things centered. I use an “F” bit which is just 7 thou over ¼ so the Corbys turn easily and will self align to correct any slight misalignment from the drilling processes. It gives slight room for epoxy as well.

One other note in the corbys, I went to the little 1x42 grinder and made them into shorties. Stock, they will grip 3/8” minimum. I need them to grip ¼” minimum so I shortened the barrel and post on them. I still get like six threads of grip out of them. Yay, pics again.

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Here’s what it looks like all fitted up with the fasteners tight without epoxy. I it do this way on integrals because I can see clearly what’s going on with the fit, no glue in the way and no possibility of the scales sliding even a little bit during glue-up. I HATE surprises when shaping around the bolsters.

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Here’s the “kit” ready for epoxy, and a shot of that slight concavity to help fit in the front of the scale. All surfaces are roughed and cleaned. Thanks for sticking with me, and for putting up with the wordy sections.

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Here it is glued and clamped. Tomorrow, handle shaping and finishing.

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It was a beautiful day today, and cold. Here’s the view out the shop door.

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Good night, all.
 
Great tutorial Salem :thumbup: That view out the shop door has me especially envious! Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing!!
 
Thanks, guys. I'll post more as soon as I can. Car trouble has got me busy, all day today and probably tomorrow, maybe more.

I started out this morning replacing a CV axle boot, then got into a whole other can of worms.
I hate working on cars during the winter.
 
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