Forum rules?

KentMurker94 said:
WOW.... Everyone here is so welcoming! Pick on the FNG everybody. That's a great way to run a community of knife lovers.
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Yes, there are rules. No need to get defensive about it. ;)

and since nobody has said it yet

Welcome to Bladeforums. :)
 
So we should not tell where the "speed traps" are ?

Or do you think you can tell the owner of the site what his rules should be instead of what they have been for years?

So hard to help some people. :confused:
 
Velitrius said:
That's a curveball in a way.

If you ask me "What's a decent 4-ish inch fixed blade for tossing in the truck?"

I'll tell you: "You can pick up an ESEE-3 over at BladeHQ for around $90 or so."

If you ask me "What should I expect to pay for an ESEE-3?"

I'll tell you: "You can pick up an ESEE-3 over at BladeHQ for around $90 or so."

Exactly the same post. I'm not allowed to use this post to answer one of those questions, but the other question is just fine.

All academic for you anyways, HappyDaddy.... both allowed at your membership level.
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please refrain from deal posting :D
 
KentMurker94 said:
WOW.... Everyone here is so welcoming! Pick on the FNG everybody. That's a great way to run a community of knife lovers.
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This statement bothers me. Why do you feel like you are being picked on? You started this thread and stated that you were confused about a rule. The rule has been explained, you might not understand why the rule is in place, or agree with it, but the fact remains, it is a rule.

You feel like you are being picked on because members have taken the time to explain the rule in detail? Everyone that has posted here is trying to help you. You haven't yet been here a month, and most of your posts are in this thread. Settle down a bit. With all due resect, I would suggest that you end the hissy fit, read more, and post less for a little while.
 
lessismore said:
This statement bothers me. Why do you feel like you are being picked on? You started this thread and stated that you were confused about a rule. The rule has been explained, you might not understand why the rule is in place, or agree with it, but the fact remains, it is a rule.

You feel like you are being picked on because members have taken the time to explain the rule in detail? Everyone that has posted here is trying to help you. You haven't yet been here a month, and most of your posts are in this thread. Settle down a bit. With all due resect, I would suggest that you end the hissy fit, read more, and post less for a little while.
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Here here, the man speaketh the truth!
 
Velitrius said:
That's a curveball in a way.

If you ask me "What's a decent 4-ish inch fixed blade for tossing in the truck?"

I'll tell you: "You can pick up an ESEE-3 over at BladeHQ for around $90 or so."

If you ask me "What should I expect to pay for an ESEE-3?"

I'll tell you: "You can pick up an ESEE-3 over at BladeHQ for around $90 or so."

Exactly the same post. I'm not allowed to use this post to answer one of those questions, but the other question is just fine.

All academic for you anyways, HappyDaddy.... both allowed at your membership level.
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Thanks, and you're probably right. My point, such as it is, is that anyone suggesting that the rules are straightforward and easily understood if only the time is taken to read them, is wrong. They can be quite confusing and ambiguous. That's not meant to be a criticism - rules and laws are frequently hard to write in ways that cover every conceivable factual permutation to which they may apply. The truth is that the site owner and his designated moderators are the ones who interpret the rules - as it must be. The usual "know it alls" who love to tell others what's what annoy the mess out of me. It's like a never ending audition for the next open moderator spot. FWIW, my advice to OP would be simply this - "read the rules and do your best to follow them. If you have questions, ask a moderator and accept the answer you're given, even if you disagree."
 
KentMurker94 said:
WOW.... Everyone here is so welcoming! Pick on the FNG everybody. That's a great way to run a community of knife lovers.
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This coming from the guy who is arguing against rules you agreed to follow yet haven't read? Also from the guy who was so upset about not being able to figure out the price of a knife you threatened to go to a different knife forum instead of here? I think you will find the way you act to be the most important determining factor in how you are treated.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Thanks, and you're probably right. My point, such as it is, is that anyone suggesting that the rules are straightforward and easily understood if only the time is taken to read them, is wrong. They can be quite confusing and ambiguous. That's not meant to be a criticism - rules and laws are frequently hard to write in ways that cover every conceivable factual permutation to which they may apply. The truth is that the site owner and his designated moderators are the ones who interpret the rules - as it must be. The usual "know it alls" who love to tell others what's what annoy the mess out of me. It's like a never ending audition for the next open moderator spot. FWIW, my advice to OP would be simply this - "read the rules and do your best to follow them. If you have questions, ask a moderator and accept the answer you're given, even if you disagree."
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Good post. The "accept the answer you're given" seems to be the problem for some folk. Don't know why really... it's the easiest part.
 
Velitrius said:
Good post. The "accept the answer you're given" seems to be the problem for some folk. Don't know why really... it's the easiest part.
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Yep. Planterz explained the rule clearly in the 3rd post. And instead of a "Thanks, got it.", Kent, you started kvetching about the rules.

That's obnoxious. Now you are complaining about being told that was obnoxious.

Stop digging and climb out of that hole while you still can. First impressions matter.
 
marcinek said:
Yep. Planterz explained the rule clearly in the 3rd post. And instead of a "Thanks, got it.", Kent, you started kvetching about the rules.

That's obnoxious. Now you are complaining about being told that was obnoxious.

Stop digging and climb out of that hole while you still can. First impressions matter.
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This is a good representation of the "problem." Planterz, while a longtime member, is not a moderator. He's a member with an opinion (which may be exactly right, or not). It is far from clear that the rule being cited is violated by asking whether a store's price for a knife is reasonable. In fact, given Spark's stated reasons for the rule, I think the stronger argument is that it isn't a violation. Of course, if Spark or a moderator says that it is a violation, that needs to be accepted and life got on with. But - as one who has spent the majority of my 35 year working life reading, interpreting, writing, or enforcing rules and laws, it's my opinion that the "just read the rules and follow them" admonition is sometimes unfair and overly simplistic.
 
HappyDaddy said:
This is a good representation of the "problem." Planterz, while a longtime member, is not a moderator. He's a member with an opinion (which may be exactly right, or not).
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You're right in that I am a longtime member, but not a moderator. You're wrong that I'm stating my opinion of what the rules mean. I'm reiterating what has been said by moderators in the past. Also, as a longtime member, I was around when these rules were put in to place, and was witness to the reasons they were enacted. If I were wrong, I would have been corrected by a moderator.
 
Well played Kent.
Welcome to bladeforums:thumbup:
 
No harm, no foul. Stick around, make some friends, learn a few things, contribute when you can. :thumbup:
 
Planterz said:
You're right in that I am a longtime member, but not a moderator. You're wrong that I'm stating my opinion of what the rules mean. I'm reiterating what has been said by moderators in the past. Also, as a longtime member, I was around when these rules were put in to place, and was witness to the reasons they were enacted. If I were wrong, I would have been corrected by a moderator.
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First, I didn't intend to suggest that you were the "problem" and hope you didn't take it that way. What I'm trying to say is that sometimes the rules are not clear in their application to a particular situation. In spite of that, some members love to chime in on every issue, berate people for "not reading the rules," not accepting the opinion of said know-it-all member, and generally get douchey and insulting. The OP's fact situation is far from obviously a violation of the rules. He wasn't asking for an opinion on the value of his knife. He was asking whether "$X" was a good price on a particular knife being sold in his local store. That could just as rationally be called "deal spotting." In fact, it's neither "asking how much my...is worth" or "deal spotting." Hell, we see threads all the time arguing about whether $X is too much to pay for a ZT, or a Hinderer, or a custom this, or mid-tech that. If I ask - "I paid $150 for a LNIB Brous Bionic 2 - did I do ok?," is that a violation? It's not a violation if I'm reporting that I did it, but it is if I'm asking whether I should?

The point is simply this - people ought to be a little circumspect before they insinuate that another member is a dope for not reading or understanding the rules (not something you did). They often are subject to pretty wide interpretation. I found this example interesting - a group of moderators didn't agree on what constituted "deal spotting" http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/689566-Mike-G-Esav-amp-Spark?highlight=deal+spotting. The rule the OP "violated" isn't as clear as that one seemingly is. I suppose that's about all to say - and good on the OP for apologizing for a tiny bit of overreacting. It'd be nice if the members who unfairly jumped on him did the same.
 
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