Four day hiking trip and no knives allowed?

Once you're in college, they should have something called an Outdoor Club, Adventure Club, Hiking Club, etc. Great way to meet cool women!

-Bob

My Aunt met her new husband through the Sierra Club.

Both she and the new uncle highly endorse my habit of EDC'ing a pocket knife. Maybe try one of the clubs listed above or the Sierra Club.

Really, this Idiot-Proof hike sounds like the "skiing classes" I took on a whim, after years and years of skiing on family vacations. No ski poles were allowed.

It amounted to a full day of people of all ages snow-plowing their way down the hill, and more than a few somersaults and face-dives into powder.

If you're going on a beginner hike, just be prepared to bite your tongue to keep from laughing. You'll probably be fine without a knife; freeze-dried backpacking food always comes with the easy-tear notch on the side.

...I'd still stuff a small locking knife somewhere in your gear, but that's just me.
 
Maybe they will be issuing the 10 essentials? I'd probably play it low key but bring what you know you need to bring and still be prepared.

Good luck:thumbup:
J.
 
IMO a knife is such a vital piece of gear that I do not leave the house without one, I would not dream of hiking AYWHERE without a knife. If this club or group or whatever is so scared and brainwashed that they don't even allow SAKs or multitools then I don't think I would participate. Unless, of course everyone else going on the hike was female and looked like they would fit right in to a baywatch set, and even then, I am not sure I could get over knife withdrawls. I think a rock or a stick is more intimidating than a Vic fisherman or tinker, or a nice purple leatherman. :) Chris
 
a nice purple leatherman. :) Chris
Have one, love it.

About, the knife, take a SAK or equivalent, fire and so on. Keep it hidden and play the thing low profile. If a knife is required, bring it out, use it wisely, save the day and it will make you look good.

Many people don't like knives because they have had bad experience with some knife-wielding people and because they are simply pretty ignorant on the subject. That doesn't mean you can't learn anything from them.
Go there and see by your self. Even if it is a bad experience, bad experiences teach things too.
 
Marzola,

Get the leader's phone number and we'll give it to Runningboar! Then the fun will begin! :D

(Just kidding, Chris :))

Doc

Good idea, I will sign up all of my minions(platoon) and we will go on their "hike" with them. I see nothing about beer or sipping whiskey on their list, about 15 of my boys and a couple of bottles of JD should liven things up immensly, if there are females on this trip it is liable to get real lively. ;) Chris
 
Good idea, I will sign up all of my minions(platoon) and we will go on their "hike" with them. I see nothing about beer or sipping whiskey on their list, about 15 of my boys and a couple of bottles of JD should liven things up immensly, if there are females on this trip it is liable to get real lively. ;) Chris

I can just see it. By the time it was over, all of the young men would have dropped out of college to join the Army, half of the women would be pregnant, a quarter would have to apply for dependent ID cards and the final quarter would only be able to function in society after years of intense treatment for PTSD. The instructor would change the no knives policy to one of "don't ask, don't tell".
 
I can just see it. By the time it was over, all of the young men would have dropped out of college to join the Army, half of the women would be pregnant, a quarter would have to apply for dependent ID cards and the final quarter would only be able to function in society after years of intense treatment for PTSD. The instructor would change the no knives policy to one of "don't ask, don't tell".

I keep them in check better than that, but they can get a bit wooly. We like to go to big scenario paintball games and camp the night before and have a bit of a party, sip from the jug and BBQ. The last one we went to there were some young people camping next to us with an attactive young lady who made a point to let us know she was 18, and for some reason kept finding excuses to come over to our camp. I found out after the fact the her and one of my young SGTs snuck off that night and went skinny dipping in a stock tank. Boys will be boys and 20 years ago I was right with them, it is strange now to have to look after them, and try to keep them from killing themselves or the general public. Chris
 
These rules look pretty odd to me : I am no mountain man and don't hike or camp that much but hey, I wouldn't even go to the office without a good locking blade.
Anyway, the rules are very clear : no knife, no compass, no lighter, nothing useful that could help you save yourself.
You just have to think about it, weight your options, choose one and take responsability for it.
- you can follow the rules, go on this hike equipped only with the knowledge in your head
- you can "cheat" and decide as a responsible adult that some rules are made to be broken and that you are to assure your own safety while in the woods.
- you can choose to respect the rules and refuse to go on the hike.

Personnaly, I would assemble myself a small kit with a small well sharpened sheeple-friendly blade (small SAK with a 2 blades, can opener, screw driver, saw and tweezer), a small compass and a pink, yellow or orange bic lighter (sheeple-friendly, again) ; I would take that kit with me and keep a low profile.

Just my two euro cents (2,60 american cents :) )
 
I keep them in check better than that, but they can get a bit wooly. We like to go to big scenario paintball games and camp the night before and have a bit of a party, sip from the jug and BBQ. The last one we went to there were some young people camping next to us with an attactive young lady who made a point to let us know she was 18, and for some reason kept finding excuses to come over to our camp. I found out after the fact the her and one of my young SGTs snuck off that night and went skinny dipping in a stock tank. Boys will be boys and 20 years ago I was right with them, it is strange now to have to look after them, and try to keep them from killing themselves or the general public. Chris

The dumb things I did as a young man in the Army would make a good episode of "I Shouldn't be Alive." Example: rappelling down the open, indoor, five-story stairwell in the barracks.

The dumb things I said would make an extra-long episode of "Kids Say the Darndest Things" Example: "Sir, yes, I was aware that the Sergeant Major was in the building when I made the rappell...He was the one who bet me I wouldn't do it."

Good thing for them they've got you at the other end of the leash.
 
Marzola, it sounds like you've got a good head on your shoulders. FI you're still looking to pick up annother SAK, I'll second the recommendation of the one-handed Trekker. It is a decent size too, yet it can be concealed easily in a pack. Whatever you decide to take, definitely weigh your functionality/concealability ratio.

Have you contacted the outfit directly with your questions and concerns? I guess I would try that. If they state they are going to have the group chip cutting tools out of stone on the first day, Then I wouldn't worry too much. I'd still pack teh one-hadned Trekker, though. I believe in a back-up plan.

If you contact the outfit and ask questions, try to come off as being casually curious, rather than as if you really know what you're talking about. Try to get as much supporting info out of them as you can while asking general questions. Try to plan your questions out in a way they don't put a red flag by your name before the trip even starts. If their smart, just the fact that you called will be enough for a red flag, but hey, that's the chance you take.

Also, ask if you can obtain references and/or contact info for others that have been through the same program/event. The more info you can get on the event, the better picture you'll be able to paint of what may actually go on. You could come across as this event being a big deal for you, and that you really ahven't done much camping, and are worried about being out int he 'wilderness,' etc.

And chances are, there may be at least one other person in your group that is asking themselves (or another knife forum :)) the same question. Then again, you could be the 'oddball' of the group. If the latter is the case, do your best to blend in.

Good luck to you. Whatever happens, I'm sure it'll be an adventure of some sort. Good or bad, I'm sure you'll take something away from the experience.
 
I wouldn't go into the woods for an hour let alone 4 days without at least a SAK.
 
I live down the road a bit from these folks and have checked out some of their their class offerings and talked to people that took them. I know one of their instructors. I didnt take any of the classes but the whole thing kind of struck me as kind of New Age/old hippie /tree hugger kind of thing. I would suggest you take what common sense tells you to and keep it to yourself until you need it. I would'nt trust anyone else to pull my cojones out of the fire needlessly. I dont think they'll run you out of the drum circle for a SAK. lol---IMHO
 
I learned many years ago as a kid never to trust someone else to provide essentials because if they don't come thru you're screwed .I worked at an event recently where they 'would provide lunch' , yes they did , at 4:00 pm !! I had my own. Your group wants you to be good little socialists where the 'gov't' will supply you with all your needs .They may be unqualified and stupid too. Put a kit in the bottom of your pack [ no need to tell anyone] containing knife matches, compass, map emergency food....Or stay home !!
 
I live down the road a bit from these folks and have checked out some of their their class offerings and talked to people that took them. I know one of their instructors. I didnt take any of the classes but the whole thing kind of struck me as kind of New Age/old hippie /tree hugger kind of thing. I would suggest you take what common sense tells you to and keep it to yourself until you need it. I would'nt trust anyone else to pull my cojones out of the fire needlessly. I dont think they'll run you out of the drum circle for a SAK. lol---IMHO

If it'll make them feel better, tell them it's a SALVATION Army Knife...same thing as a Swiss army knife but no bottle opener.:)

Better still, tell them you only brought it so you could make dream catchers and hacky-sacks for everybody.
 
Regardless of what any "leader" of an outfit like this tells you, if you're headed out in the woods, always pack the ten essentials. Period.
 
Sounds to me that whoever is organizing this trip has little or no experience in the wilderness. I'd tell them to take a hike.
 
Take the knife, keep low key as mentioned (I actually like the no watch idea, haven't worn one in years). If they question you, here is some rationale...

"My good reason to carry a knife is that God gave me rather weak teeth and rudimentary claws in an evolutionary trade-off. The hairy-armed person who figured out how to put an edge on a suitable rock made it possible for us to be recognizably human in the first place. I wear a wristwatch whether or not I have an appointment to keep, and I carry a pen and/or pencil because I am a literate person whether or not I have a specific writing task ahead of me, and I carry a knife because I am a human and not an ape.

A knife comes in handy for all sorts of random tasks that involve separating matter. Like cutting a string, or making a sandwich, or opening a package. It can also come in handy in an emergency, which need not involve a human assailant, and emergencies are by their nature unforeseen, so one should carry a knife all the time.

And in a perfect world where nobody needed a weapon, I'd probably carry a slightly larger knife, because it wouldn't scare people."
by James Mattis
 
Hey Guys...

Marzola..

Unless it's going to get you kicked out of school, I'd carry it..

Personally I probably wouldn't go just because of it...I'd feel awkward because of the lack of respect I would already have for them...

Take a multi-tool at least..

ttyle

Eric
O/ST
 
I would laugh so hard. And then I would take all the knives and other survival equipment I want.

Ignore those stupid, and dangerous, rules. It's not law, they can't enforce anything and it's idiotic.

You're in college now, think for yourself or you'll have people making decisions for you for the rest of your life.

I have to concur with what mete said:

Your group wants you to be good little socialists where the 'gov't' will supply you with all your needs .They may be unqualified and stupid too.

In other words they want you to play follow the leader like a punk.
 
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