Frame lock failure?

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Paka said:
Haha, OK big guy.. Just proves my point. If it's "just your preference" that's fine. Doesn't make it relevant to real life use.
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Well, I do think it's relevant that's why I prefer them. The problem with explaining is you just don't accept our reasons. The reasons for our preference has been explained ad naseum, if you don't accept them, stop trying to ask for more reasons.

So why do you prefer to try to give us a hard time? Makes you feel smart?
 
I would define "lock-failure" as- an unwanted disengagement of the lock during normal use.

I would not consider dropping a knife on the floor to be "normal use".

OP, contact the maker/manufacturer and ask them if your knife un-locking when dropped represents a "failure" of their product. Then come back and tell us what they said. Opinions on the internet are abundant. But I think the maker/manufacturer would be in the best position to tell you if such an event represents a "failure" of their product. Perhaps they would regard this as a warranty issue.

Does anyone know of any knife maker/manufacturer who advertises their knife locks as being "drop-proof"?

I don't see why anyone in this thread is getting hot under the collar (except that this is Bladeforums, and people here can, and will, argue about anything). Personally, if people want to declare a knife as defective and throw them away because the locks disengage when dropped on the floor I really couldn't care less.

I've never had a liner or frame lock knife close accidentally, dropped or otherwise. I have had knives partially open when dropped. But I certainly didn't throw them away because of it. Instead, I've been using, and carrying them for years without any issues, and without any accidental openings in my pocket.
 
I just think you people should spend more time actually using your knives and less time trying to point out possible failure points. BWTFDIK
 
shinyedges said:
^I prefer knives that can handle a spinewhack as well.
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I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but he made it out to sound like he has a legitimate reason to see if a knife passes a spine whack test..and then he admits it's just his preference. I'm talking about using a knife for its intended purposes and what tests are relevant to that. Not personal preference.
 
singularity35 said:
Well, I do think it's relevant that's why I prefer them. The problem with explaining is you just don't accept our reasons. The reasons for our preference has been explained ad naseum, if you don't accept them, stop trying to ask for more reasons.

So why do you prefer to try to give us a hard time? Makes you feel smart?
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You still don't get it, huh?
 
Thing is, real life use entails more than just cutting for many people. Carrying a knife as a tool can mean more than just cutting "real" life is unpredictable and some of us want to know our knives can withstand certain forces on the lock.

If your life is free from any possible uses that could apply pressure to the spine during use accidentally or not then your a lucky one. But not everyone is in your shoes so hear other people out and at least try to see it from their point of view.
Paka said:
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but he made it out to sound like he has a legitimate reason to see if a knife passes a spine whack test..and then he admits it's just his preference. I'm talking about using a knife for its intended purposes and what tests are relevant to that. Not personal preference.
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Paka said:
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but he made it out to sound like he has a legitimate reason to see if a knife passes a spine whack test..and then he admits it's just his preference. I'm talking about using a knife for its intended purposes and what tests are relevant to that. Not personal preference.
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We do have legitimate reasons, problem is you don't accept them as such. That's actually where the disagreement lies.
 
I dropped my new Military on linoleum last week. I screamed NOOOO all the way to the floor. Felt like forever too.
I inspected it meticulously for the rest of the day.
 
Blues Bender said:
A lot of butthurt today on Easter...

I'd pull out the popcorn, but I just ate a lambs leg...
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No butthurt here. Just weariness of being asked to explain...

They should just do searches.

If they don't agree then they don't but they just keep popping out of the woodwork in threads like these...
 
Hehe, this argument again. Anyways, fact is, despite being used on the great majority of high-end and custom folders, titanium framelocks are neither the strongest or most secure mechanism. They are popular for ease of use, feel, style, simplicity, etc, not ultimate strength and security. You can buy an XHP Recon 1 for $100 and get a far stronger locking mechanism (and in a lot of cases just as good steel) than some $300+ ti framelock.
 
singularity35 said:
We do have legitimate reasons, problem is you don't accept them as such. That's actually where the disagreement lies.
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K, I asked you what uses would be relevant to a spine whack test, and instead of answereing, you say no. I've been backpacking countless times and living in rural places for most of my life and not once have I had a folding knife close on me. And that's with locks a hell of a lot weaker than modern day locks. A knife is for cutting, a hammer is for hammering. Again, you can PERSONALLY have different uses for a tool, but that's not relevant. I assure you must people use the right tool for the right job, myself included.

I think of a lock as a nice extra feature, since locks seem so important to you, I guess you're better off sticking with cold steel. Yes, lots of framelocks will fail spine whack tests, that's a fact. I'd say no one cares but clearly that's not the case.
 
Paka said:
K, I asked you what uses would be relevant to a spine whack test, and instead of answereing, you say no. I've been backpacking countless times and living in rural places for most of my life and not once have I had a folding knife close on me. And that's with locks a hell of a lot weaker than modern day locks. A knife is for cutting, a hammer is for hammering. Again, you can PERSONALLY have different uses for a tool, but that's not relevant. I assure you must people use the right tool for the right job, myself included.

I think of a lock as a nice extra feature, since locks seem so important to you, I guess you're better off sticking with cold steel. Yes, lots of framelocks will fail spine whack tests, that's a fact. I'd say no one cares but clearly that's not the case.
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Because you and similar minded people keep trying to start arguments in threads where a spine whack is even mentioned. If you want to know our reasons, do a search. If you disagree, then you disagree. Why keep trying to start arguments each time? Do you have some kind of software that alerts you when "spine whack" is mentioned?
 
singularity35 said:
No butthurt here. Just weariness of being asked to explain...

They should just do searches.

If they don't agree then they don't but they just keep popping out of the woodwork in threads like these...
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Why are you going to direct a comment at me criticizing my thoughts of what a knife should be used for, but then not want to back up your opinion? If you don't want to have this discussion, you don't have to open your mouth in the first place.
 
Paka said:
Why are you going to direct a comment at me criticizing my thoughts of what a knife should be used for, but then not want to back up your opinion? If you don't want to have this discussion, you don't have to open your mouth in the first place.
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Nope, I wasn't directing a comment to what you believe a knife should be used for. I was directing a comment against your sentiment about spine whacks.

If you have read one or two threads discussing the pros and cons of spine whacks, then you know all our reasons.

Trying to start something here is just picking a fight and trying to make yourself feel better about yourself.
 
Fight, Fight, Fight! :D

You guys really need to get a folder with the new Cyber-lock...it's the only logical choice for internet knife forum fights. ;)
 
singularity35 said:
Because you and similar minded people keep trying to start arguments in threads where a spine whack is even mentioned. If you want to know our reasons, do a search. If you disagree, then you disagree. Why keep trying to start arguments each time? Do you have some kind of software that alerts you when "spine whack" is mentioned?
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Oh, so I'm not allowed to say I think spine whacks are ridiculous and irrelevant? When you start talking about spine whacks and how you think they're such a great test, other people reading might think that what you're saying is true. People who haven't formulated their opinion yet, they should see both sides of a coin and be the judge themselves. Clearly, you don't like it when people disagree with you.
 
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