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Would Jeff convert to lefty for you or he just didn't want you doing the work? Mine also 0 play, I wonder if the show special was handled a bunch over time?
I told him I am a machinist and could tap and drill them, he said that would void the warranty. No big deal, I'm not upset, I get it. He didn't offer to do it, he just said it voided the warranty.

As far as blade play, the knife was new people picking it up and opening and closing it shouldn't cause blade play. Again, I don't believe it affected functionality it is more of an ocd thing with me.
 
It will if everyone is "checking it for blade play".
Bologna. If a firm grip and wiggle causes steel to displace or enlarge a hole than the materials are poorly chosen.

I can't be certain as to why the blade play was there. I can assume it was tolerances but that's a guess.


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Baloney. If a firm grip and wiggle causes steel to displace or enlarge a hole than the materials are poorly chosen.

I can't be certain as to why the blade play was there. I can assume it was tolerances but that's a guess.
Baloney? Really? Blade play can't develop over time and wear? You don't know what you are taking about, sorry.

Want to send me one of your knives so we can test that theory?
 
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Lol. Bladeshow was 3 days man, time and wear? Please guy.

I highly doubt every guy who walked by picked the same exact knife up and did the same exact thing as I did anyway. What I did wasn't harmful in any way.

In any case, I simply relayed my experience with no disrespectful bashing. If you don't like that, tough luck. Good day.
Baloney? Really? Blade play can't develop over time and wear? You don't know what you are taking about, sorry.

Want to send me one of your knives so we can test that theory?
 
I'm a fan of the 451blf too. Really great knife, but over time i think I'm realizing im a smaller knife kind of guy for the most part.

Does anyone know if the shrunk down version is still in the works? I remember hearing talk about it awhile ago from the forum and Jeff.
 
Baloney? Really? Blade play can't develop over time and wear? You don't know what you are taking about, sorry.

Want to send me one of your knives so we can test that theory?
I think he was referring to the amount of wear it received over that weekend shouldn't be enough to induce blade play. There are folks that have CRKs that are users over 20 years old and they do not report blade play. In fact, I have seen folks attest to the opposite and that they are happy that they have not.

If the materials have been chosen correctly, and not hit with a hammer to "test for play", then they should hold up to a busy weekend. Especially since I doubt that he was letting folks wrench hard on it...
 
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Honestly, I really dislike the mini ridges that seem to run from the bevel to the spine; it just screams 'tacticool' / mall ninja to me, and I just can't get into it. I also dislike coatings on steel, even DLC, at least on anything that is EDC class. (I'd be ok with DLC on a carbon machete though)
 
I think he was referring to the amount of wear it received over that weekend shouldn't be enough to induce enough wear to cause blade play. There are folks that have CRKs that are users over 20 years old and they do not report blade play. In fact, I have seen folks attest to the opposite and that they are happy that they have not.

If the materials have been chosen correctly, and not hit with a hammer to "test for play", then they should hold up to a busy weekend. Especially since I doubt that he was letting folks wrench hard on it...
I forgot my 6in Kurt vise at home :( my mear fingers did the abusive deed of checking for up and down play.
 
I think he was referring to the amount of wear it received over that weekend shouldn't be enough to induce enough wear to cause blade play. There are folks that have CRKs that are users over 20 years old and they do not report blade play. In fact, I have seen folks attest to the opposite and that they are happy that they have not.

If the materials have been chosen correctly, and not hit with a hammer to "test for play", then they should hold up to a busy weekend. Especially since I doubt that he was letting folks wrench hard on it...
I made my original statement tongue in cheek. What surprised me was the certainty and absolutes that followed regarding it having to be a sub par product. None of us know how old the knife was (was it for certain new at the start of the show?), were there other factors, such as a loose pivot?, I could go on. I certainly didn't suggest one person introduced blade play in an otherwise new knife, by checking it for blade play.
 
I made my original statement tongue in cheek. What surprised me was the certainty and absolutes that followed regarding it having to be a sub par product. None of us know how old the knife was (was it for certain new at the start of the show?), were there other factors, such as a loose pivot?, I could go on. I certainly didn't suggest one person introduced blade play in an otherwise new knife, by checking it for blade play.
I can see that, but I can't picture a knifemaker bringing anything but new knives to the largest knife show of the year, possibly one or two broken in models, being in their own pockets as a sample. The table should be new and in good condition. Anything less would be viewed by myself to the attentiveness and standards of the maker. In that price range, those two attributes should be paramount.
 
I can see that, but I can't picture a knifemaker bringing anything but new knives to the largest knife show of the year, possibly one or two broken in models, being in their own pockets as a sample. The table should be new and in good condition. Anything less would be viewed by myself to the attentiveness and standards of the maker. In that price range, those two attributes should be paramount.
Maybe someone switched out one of their samples with a clone, who knows. I don't have a knife by this maker and don't have a dog in this fight. Like I said , my original comment was meant as a joke and I was surprised that it was inferred there was no possibility that I knife could develop blade play, if it didn't have blade play when new.

I don't want to test the blade play theory on my own CRK, but the offer stands if anyone wants to send me theirs.
 
Is the 451 available without a coated blade?
Yes it is.

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Yes it is.

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That still is coated. It’s a gray coating. Can’t remember the name of the coating used off hand, though. I almost got one of those to go with my black one, but it sold out before I could order it.
 
That still is coated. It’s a gray coating. Can’t remember the name of the coating used off hand, though. I almost got one of those to go with my black one, but it sold out before I could order it.
True enough. I can't quite tell what it is. Thought it might have been a blasted thing, but it doesn't have the texture. I do like it though and it has been wearing very well. Maybe it's just a gray cerakote?
 
Yes, I believe that’s what it is. From the pictures, it matches the handle perfectly. That’s good to hear it wears well. I’ve been watching for those to go on sale on his site.
 
I'm a fan of the 451blf too. Really great knife, but over time i think I'm realizing im a smaller knife kind of guy for the most part.

Does anyone know if the shrunk down version is still in the works? I remember hearing talk about it awhile ago from the forum and Jeff.
Yeah, he told me that he had a Mini 451 in the works...I volunteered to be a prototype tester, lol...but that was a few years ago now. I think the success of his knife designs has kept him from branching out with new styles.

I'd love to see ZT commission a 451 BLF for an in-house design! Or the Mini 451 as I really need a 3" blade for daily use as my employer has a new "weapons rule" with 3" blade max.

Also, I have one of the early 451s that's had heavy use and I've got no trace of blade play. Until I see pictures or video, I'm dubious. Having disassembled the knife and seeing how the button lock works with that fat-ass stop pin, I'm not sure how significant blade play could even be a thing.
 
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