From the arcane world of knifemaking...

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Let me translate that for those who didn't catch it.

"No, I will not take you up on your very reasonable challenge..."
 
So, just so we're on the same page - you're not confident that your sawzall knife can perform well in third party testing?
 
BMK said:
Acrid,

If you and I go into a remote wilderness for a few weeks with just our chosen self made knives, I win and you lose:-) Get to work on that and get back to me.
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I think Robert Pelton has a protege. You seem to have missed my post Mr. Monkey. Do you have a name?
 
BMK said:
Thanks for the question, Mitch. Based on my experience using knives, the blade looked like a good design. I saw no need to reinvent what was a sound wheel so I engineered around it. Ordering a blade off the internet is pretty simple these days. Can I answer any other questions for you?
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It is a good design, as are all the Terzuola designs I have seen.

Yes, ordering a blank is easy and is a good choice for those unable to make a knife from scratch. It's not knifemaking, but certainly a worthwhile hobby.

So what you are saying is that you ordered a blank, and "engineered" a handle?
 
Johnathan - I'm not sure if Bob was every a firefighter... are you sure he could have designed a useable knife?
 
Mitch,

Good point. Actually, the knife assembled itself after it decided which components it was to be made of. I had absolutely nothing to do with it. The credit belongs entirely to the knife. If I cant find a blade that fits my design envelope I simply make the blade. The Chisos and Baby Chisos are both blades I presently make. Again, i don't know why I would want to grind steel if a perfectly good blade can be procured easily - that would be silly.

btw - I looked at your website. Very nice and informative site. Your knives look to be of high quality - keep up the good work
 
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BMK said:
Again, i don't know why I would want to grind steel if a perfectly good blade can be procured easily - that would be silly.
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From one perspective, that's a very good point.

As long as your customers don't think you made the knife, all is well.

When you start saying "I made this knife" is where ethics go to hell.

Finished this knife, outfitted this knife, or dressed this knife would be more appropriate.

Personally, I feel marking a blade that I didn't make is inappropriate as well.
 
Fellhoelter said:
From one perspective, that's a very good point.

As long as your customers don't think you made the knife, all is well.

When you start saying "I made this knife" is where ethics go to hell.

Finished this knife, outfitted this knife, or dressed this knife would be more appropriate.

Personally, I feel marking a blade that I didn't make is inappropriate as well.
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Thank you for "sharing" your feelings. Since the knife did not exist until i made or assembled it, I made the knife. (period)
 
BMK said:
Again, i don't know why I would want to grind steel if a perfectly good blade can be procured easily - that would be silly.
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Why are you here then besides to troll? Please leave so we can get back to asking and answering questions about knifemaking.

As far as I'm concerned your thread is just SPAM, you are blindly pushing a product for profit and wasting everyones time.
 
Danny,

That makes a lot of sense as you continue reading and responding to this thread. Go to another forum and have fun. bye
 
acrid,

Ok. Then by that same reasoning Ford does not "make" cars. You can do better than that...try again;-)
 
BMK said:
Thank you for "sharing" your feelings. Since the knife did not exist until i made or assembled it, I made the knife. (period)
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.......there's a river in Egypt.

Putting a handle on a knife that somebody else made is not making a knife. (period);)
 
BMK said:
Nearly every knife is made up of parts made by different people.
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If this weren't so, your philosophy that knifemaking is simple would fall apart very quickly. Search for Kevin Cashen's Michigan sole authorship knife. Blade from iron bearing sand, guard and butt cap from locally found copper rich rock, handle from locally procured antler. Some makers here do make every part of the knife.
 
You'll note that we have a distinction here in the states between "assembled in..." and "made in..."

Here's a quick test for you - if you sharpen the premade blanks they are ready to go. So, if you can say that you made those knives, then your same logic would allow you to claim that you made any knife that you sharpened. Just because you added something to the existing knives doesn't mean you made it. If you bought a Ford and put wheels and tires on it, you didn't make a car either.
 
Ford, Chevy, Kershaw, Bechmade are brands. One expects them to make products assembled from mass produced parts.

When you mix both custom made and factory made products and place them side by side, and sell them as the same product, that is when there is a problem.

It's the reason that many famous hand-makers that went into production now have "custom shop" items, that can easily be differentiated from the production pieces.
 
In the final analysis the free market will be the arbiter of this discussion. I can report that to date, the free market has declared me the winner. Fortunately, everyone does not think like a the typical knifemaker. There are a fair number of people who want something made by someone with my background - exactly as my website reads. I wish I could say I am sorry that so many of you find this offensive. The fact that I don't specialize in grinding away steel is a matter of pride.
 
All of the edited post seem earily familiar to the Jim Adams thread in the GBU forum.

Also no response to the name thing.

You also feel the need to keep refering to the fact that you have "experience" using knives. So if two people, you and someone else, go out in the woods and each take a knife, each of their own construction and in this case you take your sawzall blade knife, that you know how to use your inferior knife better and would be able to survive better even if the knife that the other person takes technically performs better. At least that is what I got from your post.

If so that means that
1. you know that your knife made "simply" is not as good as some other knives made by "couch-bladesmiths" and
2. that you keep portraying yourself as having a better skill set than anyone else with a knife and that a knifes construction doesn't really matter and
3 you must really be full of yourself


I really have a hard time taking you seriously when you edit your posts so often. Do you feel the need to make them better after you post them? Or did you say something that makes you look bad? What is it????

On the subject of claiming you "made the knife" when you buy a prefinished blade blank from someone else and put a handle on it has been discussed a lot on this and other knife making forums. I feel that the general feeling is that if you buy the blank you should have FULL disclosure of that in PLAIN WORDING. Forming the blade wether by forging or stock removal brings with it a sense of "making" the knife. I think the blade is what defines a "knife" more than the handle. Lots of things have handles, less things have blades for use like a knife does. Customers don't appreciate you dancing around that issue with wording or that the knife didn't "exist" before you made it. That is a very shady way of wording things. No the knife didn't exist but the blade is what truly makes up the knife. There are knifes with blades but not handled with wood but I have never seen a knife with a handle and no blade :p:confused:
 
Kiah said:
BMK,
Simple request. Since every knifemaker I know of uses his actual name as his username or includes it in his posts or site, may we ask yours? Hard to take someone seriously when the only name you have to address them is "Bush Monkey".
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Try "Jeff". Or more specifically "Jeffrey P. Natterer".
 
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